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  •  yes they can` (0+ / 0-)

    but people also can rewrite history to make it fit their worldview.

    If this sounds like the background of a long time progressive hero to you, let me know?

    http://www.nydailynews.com/...

    "I'll hold my nose and vote but I won't hold my nose and canvass or call or donate." Some Dkos Comment

    by onemadson on Wed Jan 05, 2011 at 12:22:33 PM PST

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    •  also, here is Talking Points Memo on her dad (0+ / 0-)

      link

      Let's back up:

      By most accounts, Rutnik, a well-connected Albany Republican lobbyist and power-broker, has been the prime architect and fund-raiser for Gillibrand's political career.

      Rutnik is tight with just about every powerful Republican in the state, including former governor George Pataki, and former senator Al D'Amato -- in whose office Gillibrand got her start as an intern, before running for Congress as a Democrat.

      Rutnik is also close with Bruno. In fact, as the Albany Times-Union (via Nexis) has reported, in the 1990s, Rutnik and another lobbyist, James Featherstonhaugh, bought hundreds of acres of isolated swampland in New York's Rensselaer County, which they planned to develop. Bruno and his brother ultimately invested in the venture, known as the First Grafton Corporation.

      "I'll hold my nose and vote but I won't hold my nose and canvass or call or donate." Some Dkos Comment

      by onemadson on Wed Jan 05, 2011 at 01:05:52 PM PST

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      •  That memo is incorrect (2+ / 0-)
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        and has been contradicted elsewhere, including:

        http://www.r8ny.com/...

        and

        http://www.politico.com/...

        •  the man is tied (0+ / 0-)

          into the republican party. They are his clients and friends. Several of them also are criminals.

          Again, you can quibble about party registration but this man has a track record of working for republicans and their interests. A long one.

          That has not been contradicted.

          "I'll hold my nose and vote but I won't hold my nose and canvass or call or donate." Some Dkos Comment

          by onemadson on Wed Jan 05, 2011 at 04:22:08 PM PST

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          •  Party registration is hardly a quibble (4+ / 0-)
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            You said he is a Republican, and that's simply not the case.  Judging people by who their friends are resembles old-fashioned, McCarthyite "guilt by association."  Some of my best friends are Republicans -- that doesn't make me one.

            •  Not his friends, his causes (0+ / 0-)

              As anyone inside Albany politics knows, Doug Rutnik is a hired gun who has often lobbied for causes near and dear to the heart of Republicans and Conservatives. It's just as wrong to label him a Democratic lobbyist, because that's his party affiliation. But, I'm not sure why any of that matters. I'm not drinking the kool-aid over Gillibrand, who I still think is more opportunist than progressive, but she's not her father.

              •  Lawyers and lobbyists are both paid advocates (1+ / 0-)
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                And perhaps experienced advocates are better at getting the job done than mere ideologues.  I'm sure you've heard the argument at least a thousand times that because a lawyer defends criminals doesn't make him/her pro-crime.  But the incorrect information about Doug Rutnik's party affiliation seems to have leached into the annals -- to the extent that people who claim to be knowledgeable have it wrong -- and that's never a good thing.

            •  I stand corrected (0+ / 0-)

              he is not a republican. The people he takes money from to advance republican causes are. Perhaps most of the democrats you know do this as well. Not the ones I know. It is easy to claim you are one thing. Actions speak a bit louder. It isn't guilt by association. Its "guilt by who you are willing to take money from".    

              And he is a lobbyist. And he is her father and worked to get her elected.

              So, I think it is fair to say that we can judge her by the fact that her family and one of her chief fundraisers has no problem working for some of the worst republican's in NY.

              That is a fact. If that is not a problem for you when it comes to choosing your senators in one of the bluest states, I understand.

              I live in Albany and understand the local political scene rather well. Very few if any of the elected officials have any moral character. And many are downright corrupt and have no problem working with criminal politicians if it benefits them. Gillibrand's grandmother was a fine example of this and her father also has a record of it. You seem to have no problem with this. I hope you get some sort of political appointment with that sort of attitude. If you don't have any real values to worry about, politics can be quite lucrative.

              Anyway, best of luck with the new great hope for the democratic party.

              Sorry to be all McCarthy with the facts.

              Read "Oh Albany" if you want to get a flavor for the type of things Gillibrand's grandmother supported.

              I'm sure Senator Gillibrand will follow in the fine footsteps of Senator Schumer. She will never get challenged by anyone other than a self made multi millionaire because Wall Street will fund all of her campaigns. And as a NY democrat I will be told by people on dKos that if I have a problem with that I'm like Joe McCarthy or Ralph Nader or some other fun thing while Wall Street continues to destroy this country. Hope you are getting your piece of that pie. Only so much to go around.

              "I'll hold my nose and vote but I won't hold my nose and canvass or call or donate." Some Dkos Comment

              by onemadson on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 05:36:58 AM PST

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              •  If you engage in guilt by association arguments (2+ / 0-)
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                then the McCarthyite epithet fits.  I am a lifelong Democrat -- very very far to the left, with no connections at all to Wall Street -- but as a adult person with pretensions to common sense, I don't exclude people who don't share my views from my business or personal circles.  My family are from Albany, and I lived in the Albany metro area  for a while.  I don't care what Gillibrand's grandmother -- or her father -- got up to; that's like condemning Caroline Kennedy because her grandfather was a crook and a bigot, and her father was a philanderer.  I certainly wouldn't want to be judged by stuff my mother and father did.  Again, Doug Rutnik may associate with Republicans, but he is not a Republican, and to make that claim as part of your argument is wrong.

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