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  •  Whenever I tell my Republican friends about (37+ / 0-)

    what the Republicans have stated they want to do when they get into power, they've unanimously said that the Republicans won't be allowed to get away with the extreme things, like repealing the health care law.

    It's only through the actions of Rep. Slaughter and the Democrats if we're able to resist their tide - I am rooting hard for you folks, and I hope you take some sanity breaks when the stupid gets thick in the air there.  

    I wish there was a way I could convince my friends who still vote for the Republicans just what they're enabling, but until the Republicans do something monumentally stupid (debt ceiling, anyone?), they're not going to believe that lower taxes and lower deficits can go hand in hand.  Logic, facts and figures just can't get through...

    •  Not getting away with it. (3+ / 0-)
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      ColoTim, mrsgoo, MRA NY

      I'd just add to this that, hopefully, the House Dems won't be tempted to add any "amendments" to this silliness and just vote yay or nay on it.  If they lose, so be it.  It will die in the Senate.  If, by some miracle, it doesn't, Obama would veto it.

      Its best not to even dignify this nonsense.  Its circus performance.  No need to pretend that its real legislation or that its intended to help anyone.

      ...I did not trade arms for hostages...My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not -Reagan

      by MRL on Wed Jan 05, 2011 at 07:31:30 PM PST

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      •  You're wrong MRL (2+ / 0-)
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        pioneer111, OleHippieChick

        That's the same mistake the Dems repeat over and over, ignoring the gop stupidity.

        Now is the time to challenge them and do everything you can to expose their hypocrisy and lies, to try to make the Dems case and to show people that the gop way is the wrongway.

        It's more than a circus performance, it's showmanship, it's Public Relations, and it's face time for the media.  

        Democrats have got to stop taking vacations and keeping above the fray, and ceding the floor to the goppers.  Coz when they come back and decide to play, they're already in a deep hole, and Lassie is in bed with the rest of the gang, and nobody can hear their pathetic cries from the bottom of the well!

        Now, when the goppers are trying to frame things, when they're telling us that everybody knows its a spending problem, not a revenue problem, now is the time to challenge that assertion, to try to get them to back that up with facts, to get on the teevee news with a second opinion, not later when Colin Powell is giving his presentation to the UN about all the things everybody already knows about WMD's ... BECAUSE THE GOPPERS HAVE BEEN SELLING THAT CROCK UNDISTURBED FOR MONTHS WHILE THE DEMS SLEEP AT THE SWITCH.  (Not all Dems of course!!!)

        •  OK. I'm open to being wrong (1+ / 0-)
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          ColoTim

          WHAT, do you propose the "amendment" be to Ryan's bill, which simply repeals the thing in toto?

          IMO, the Rs are luring in D's to do exactly what you advocate.

          They don't have the stones to call out any particular provision so they invite the Ds to do their bidding for them.

          I say, let them pass a bill in the House that chucks all the popular parts of the Act and run against them on that.

          I'm not saying don't frame or do this in the PR ring -- exactly the opposite.  In the media, the frame IS that the Republicans are (a) not serious about the problems facing americans and (b) are actively campaigning to take away pre-existing condition discrimination protection; extension of coverage for children; etc.

          Ryan's bill -- Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act -- is a joke.  It ought to be treated as a joke both in the chamber and ESPECIALLY in the media.

          Its not serious.  THEY are not serious.  They deserve to be called out as grandstanding clowns.

          ...I did not trade arms for hostages...My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not -Reagan

          by MRL on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 04:28:36 AM PST

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        •  Re-reading (1+ / 0-)
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          ColoTim

          I think in re-reading your post, we are probably in agreement, but are talking past each other.

          When I say "ignore it" - what I mean is let is pass the house and vote against it.

          DO NOT offer amendments b/c the Rs will then point to them and say that "even the Ds agree that the Act is flawed."

          Instead, vote against it and then Ds get the upper hand in the media debate b/c the Rs are "not serious" about the problem and want to take away all the protections that the American people love in the bill.

          If REPUBLICANS have problems with the bill, they should point out what problems they have.  If they say that they have problems with ALL OF IT, then take them at face value.  Its an absurd, un serious position, but take them at face value.  vote agianst it an move on (in the chamber) but (and here's where I think we are in agreement) in the press, lambast them for trashing the popular parts and for not being serious.

          I challenge anyone to make a good argument from the Rs perspective as to why the ENTIRE Act should be repealed, and whey its incumbent on the Ds to point out any "warts" in a compromise bill that they, themselves, passed.

          If anyone wants to talk about any particular provision, fine.  Lets talk.  But until then, Ds should tell Rs to STFU.

          ...I did not trade arms for hostages...My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not -Reagan

          by MRL on Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 04:41:08 AM PST

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