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  •  But think about it... (3+ / 0-)
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    the whole anti-government thing IS insanity.  No question about it.

    •  Your diary title makes a flat statement, (1+ / 0-)
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      an assertion, that at best is premature and at worst is disingenuous.  He appears to have "believed" in a lot of things, at this moment, but he also appears to be insane.  I know you are desperate to connect these dots but it might be better to wait until we all know more.

      Still enjoying my stimulus package.

      by Kevvboy on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 06:03:19 AM PST

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      •  The statement is actually correct (6+ / 0-)

        he does believe in "Tea Party ideas."

        In fact, Blue Wind even has the correct degree of nuance, because the title doesn't go so far as suggesting that Loughner is a tea partier.

        Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free
        ¡Boycott Arizona!

        by litho on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 06:06:15 AM PST

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        •  He also appears to believe (0+ / 0-)

          that "the currency" is evil and "The Communist Manifesto" is a good book.  I repeat that it is too early to put him in any camp except "apparently disturbed."  Remember how McVeigh was widely assumed to be an Arab terrorist until it turned out he wasn't?"

          You have no idea what he believed; it's wrong to assert otherwise.

          Still enjoying my stimulus package.

          by Kevvboy on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 06:08:55 AM PST

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          •  I do have an idea of what he believes (7+ / 0-)

            (note the present tense, the man did not die yesterday) because I have watched, or rather read, his videos, and, yes, I did notice The Communist Manifesto is on his list of favorite books.  So is The Phantom Tollbooth.

            His rantings about currency are part of the evidence tying his ideology to the Tea Party, because he makes a clear statement that money is worthless because it is not backed by gold or silver.  That's a common notion on the right, whereas the left -- including the communist left -- is much more comfortable with a floating currency.

            I think we all agree he is mentally disturbed.  The question is where did some of his specific ideas originate.  The evidence is clear that he echoes specific Tea Party ideas, as enumerated in the diary.

            Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free
            ¡Boycott Arizona!

            by litho on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 06:16:39 AM PST

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            •  He appears to be so weak-minded that he (4+ / 0-)
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              would fall under the influence of practically any groupthink.

              But you are right on with the anti-gov anti-currency Alex Jones paranoia.

              "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Thomas Paine

              by shrike on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 06:21:55 AM PST

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            •  To be a Tea Bagger, you must be mentally (0+ / 0-)

              disturbed. Their stances are ill-informed, fact free, contradictory, and if you follow them to a logical conclusion, ridiculous and dangerous.

              I think that also describes the shooter from yesterday. Now, does being a member of Set D automatically mean that you are a member of Subset T? That remains to be seen.

              What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

              by agnostic on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 07:11:37 AM PST

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        •  Thank you. (1+ / 0-)
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          That is exactly why I picked that title.  Trying to be accurate.

      •  Well I believe that (1+ / 0-)
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        skiddlybop

        the whole tea party movement IS insane.  He was just a different version of that movement.  A deviation, but with the same basic insane principles: Hare against government.  I think that is clear and accurate.

      •  The Sherriff Connected the Dots Perfectly (13+ / 0-)

        He said that in an environment with this kind of rhetoric, people who are unbalanced will do these kinds of things.

        The man doesn't need to be a card carrying Tea Partier to be spouting ideas that Tea Party candidates and speakers are also spouting, which he was. That's all the diary claimed, believing the ideas not any hard affiliation.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 06:21:47 AM PST

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        •  What is safe to say is that the incitement to (0+ / 0-)

          violence and the encouragement of gun worship is all coming from the right.
          The type of encouragement that works on a disordered mind like this guy's.
          That's pretty much what the Sheriff was getting at.

          The right is going to say that he is an atheistic, pot-smoking lefty.

          They will say the Am. Ren. connection is or "may be " manufactured by J. Napolitano.

          They will (and already are) appropriating victimhood.
          There will be some vandalism or "credible threats against conservatives, that will go nowhere after they've taken a bite of the news cycle.  

          This is probably the first in a rash of incidents.
          I think it will set some others off.
          I hope not.

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