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  •  I don't seem him as being fully formed (3+ / 0-)
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    He was a bit of this, a bit of that.

    It will be interesting to see how this story plays out, to say the least.

    "One should always be a little improbable." - Oscar Wilde

    by Miep on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 09:18:29 PM PST

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    •  Yes (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm trying to see if anyone has talked to his family, friends yet to get a clearer picture of the kid than just his internet ramblings.

      "We can do no great things, only small things with great love." Mother Teresa

      by Pam LaPier on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 09:20:37 PM PST

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      •  Did you see ... (13+ / 0-)

        ....these emails from a classmate of Loughner's last June?

        Here's something lovely from the comment thread on that email story:

        Sad that he libs cannot see that this man is the product of 50 years of liberal "feelgood" indoctrination. 50 years ago freaks like this never materialized because the real men in society would have beat the sheet out of him when he was just starting to become a nut, problem solved. Now,liberal teaching, which goes against the grain of natural selection and pecking order, has allowed these misfits to become mainstream and excercise their right to be "individuals". No longer can weirdos be ostracised and whipped into shape, cowardice is rampant,illustrated by all of the fools that had contact with this freak, and then just allowed him to wreak his mayhem on innocents. I blame the liberal establishment for this, passing more gun laws will do nothing, bringing back shame and knocking the piss out of punks when they need it will solve the problem much quicker. Expect this to become more common as the stress of the 2nd depression comes to fruition. Sadly it will take as many generations to correct this problem as it did to create it. The common denominator is liberalism

        That's not even close to the worst of them.

        Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 10:10:17 PM PST

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        •  Shame on you leftists for politicizing (4+ / 0-)

          our shared national tragedy. It's disgraceful how you cynically exploit our grief as a nation, to play the blame-game with finger-pointing and scapegoating to advance a political agenda. I am outraged.

          etc. etc. etc.

          Human reason is beautiful and invincible --Milosz, Incantation

          by juancito on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 11:06:36 PM PST

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        •  that's particularly hardcore (3+ / 0-)
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          conservative framing. They really do believe that brutal punishment makes people better.

          That's just about the best argument for their being delusional that I know of.

          What do they really believe "better" is? More obedient. Ruled by fear.

          Thanks for finding that.

          "One should always be a little improbable." - Oscar Wilde

          by Miep on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 11:21:03 PM PST

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        •  Look at this headline at WorldNetDaily (0+ / 0-)

          Demand Filibuster Reform call your Senators at (202) 224-3121 -AND KEEP CALLING

          by Lefty Coaster on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 11:25:59 PM PST

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        •  that quote sounds as if the person who wrote it.. (0+ / 0-)

          .... is highly repressed in some way or another, likely sexually.  

        •  Reading some of the comments in that link (0+ / 0-)

          Hitler and Charles Manson are now leftists. In fact every tyrant in history is left wing, according to those comments.

          This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

          by Agathena on Mon Jan 10, 2011 at 01:51:07 AM PST

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        •  I guess you would object to the suggestion that (0+ / 0-)

          Democrats/liberals/progressives by their constant taunts and chants of denier/racist/homophobe/moron/Wal-Mart person/hatred of working class people, etc delegitimize segments of the population and remove avenues for potentially constructive speech?

          For most people, that would merely be frustrating, for a whack-job, potentially deadly.

          Lots of nasty speech all around.  Everybody joins the party in a different way, but everybody seems to join the party.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Mon Jan 10, 2011 at 05:11:42 AM PST

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        •  more interesting to me would be an (0+ / 0-)

          answer to the question the lady, who sat in the class with Loughner, for sure had. How do you get help and from whom in a situation like this. She felt threatened and scared and she could do nothing about it. Even the teacher was helpless.

          If you are alone or in a group confronted with a person, whose behaviour is so irrationally disturbed and the thought that this person might be capable of a violent action and threat to others, is in your mind, but you can't prove it, how can you get help and help others to get this person under control?

          It is even worse, if you have to deal with persons like this alone. If you call police or security, the disturbed person can be very undisturbed deny any allegations and talk himself out of the situation, so the person is released back into his environment, even capable of laughing and mocking those, who feared his behavior and asked for help in the first place. It is absolutely not a funny situation to be in.

          Empowering Young Inmates to Write New Chapters in Their Lives. Free Minds.

          by mimi on Mon Jan 10, 2011 at 05:33:27 AM PST

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