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  •  you misread my comment. (1+ / 0-)
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    billmosby

    There are two separate and distinct points:

    One, the present shooter and some others are psychiatric cases.

    Two, stochastic terrorism works by stirring up people who are unstable, to commit violent acts.

    I did not say that the present case was a Beckian, nor that Beck was responsible for him.   In all probability he was not, and he was not, at least not directly.  

    However the cultural milieu created by the hate-talkers fosters this kind of nuttery just as climate change makes violent storms more likely.  Even when you can't be certain which hurricane or which F5 tornado was directly attributable.  

    And if I had a method for predicting lone wolves individually and specifically, it would have earned me a badge and a clearance by now, and I'd be too busy teaching the methods to every LE agency in the US, rather than bemoaning the absence of any such methods in a public place.  

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      G2geek

      I didn't mention Beck either. I can see how unstable people can get stirred up, but there might be a lot of things that would set them off. Without talking to the individuals in question, attributing their stirreduppedness to hate radio as opposed to blogs or to getting a bottle of Scope in their mailboxes (thanks, George Carlin) seems to be an exercise in futility.

      However, I'll read what you write instead of violating my own inclination to not judge before getting the facts.

      Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

      by billmosby on Sun Jan 09, 2011 at 11:57:45 PM PST

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      •  The thing with psycholigical disorders (0+ / 0-)

        Is that it doesn't take anything to get someone stirred up, they are stirred up.  

        Some people can't distinguish between what's real and what isn't.  They will see things that are not real or true, but they seem real to them.  This can be something like inanimate objects getting up and walking across the floor.  

        It can be coupled with a sense of paranoia.  I'm not sure if that is part of the mental breakdown, or if it's a result from the world suddenly being wierd and not making sense.  I had a friend who went through this.  He believed the whole organization was out to get him, everyone was involved, and as a result, everyone became his target.  He believed that people were planting listening devices, that people were following him in elaborate schemes.  It was very frightening to be a part of it, as a friend, and very sad to watch when I got some distance.

        What is very dangerous, then, with someone in this state, is that wacky conspiracy theories feel right.  For some reason, violence can seem like the only solution.

        It's very sad.  From what I'm reading, Loughner sounds like this was the case, but I'm not a professional to determine.  From my two experience with others breaking down, it sounds like it.

        These people are already in an odd state.  It doesn't take much to put them over the top.

        "Whenever you have truth it must be given with love, or the message and the messenger will be rejected" ~Mahatma Gandhi

        by Kiku on Mon Jan 10, 2011 at 01:14:15 AM PST

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        •  there are degrees of illness and susceptibility. (0+ / 0-)

          Someone who is severely ill may hallucinate objects walking across the room, hear voices, and believe there are listening devices planted in their tooth fillings.  

          Chances are at that point they are also too ill to be able to plan a political hit job.  Or they'll blab about it and someone will call the cops.

          Someone who is only slightly ill may have odd feelings or sensations, but may be able to control their behavior.

          But there is a very large gray zone in between, of people who are crazy enough to want to do an evil deed, but not so crazy as to prevent them planning it and carrying it out.   This is the population that can be stirred up effectively by hate-talkers.   And the hate-talkers know it, but they keep doing it anyway.  

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