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  •  Most Americans have never seen a sanitarium (1+ / 0-)
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    Ronald Reagan was responsible for emptying federal mental institutions, and the US really has not recovered since. There is a belief that new drugs can help, but prisons now clearly provide a mental illness warehousing/treatment function.

    While I'm sure it would never happen, there is a lot to be said for reinstating the sanitarium concept. Finland, for example, has some very well-run sanitariums. Often the state has taken over the estates of landed gentry from the 19th century so they are spacious, park-like with lots of nature and far from the bustle of the city. Finns are no saner than Americans; there have been several shooting and bombing incidents by crazed young men and the suicide rate is sky-high. What is remarkable is the different approach taken to dealing with mental illness.  

    •  Ive seen one (0+ / 0-)

      had a relative (step-grandmother sorta) put in one.

      You know what they do there? Lock them behind bars, medicate them til theyre near comatose, occasionally abuse or even rape them.

      Voters will choose a person who fights a losing battle for his principles over one who fights winning battles against them every time.

      by cdreid on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 04:10:29 AM PST

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      •  Obviously, there's no middle ground (0+ / 0-)

        between One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and letting psych patients live on the streets. Where, btw, they also get raped and murdered.

        /snark

        •  Ya cause if we re-institute them (0+ / 0-)

          what are a few thousand poeple being medicated or subjected to electroshock or conveniently imprisoned for being "nuisances" to people with power or connections. What matter if thousands or hundreds of thousands are imprisoned in earthbound hells if the upperclass can be provided comfortable state of the art sanitariums.. which they have now but which they pay for themselves.

          Tell you what.. agree to an ironclad federal law that the only way you can be put in a sanitarium is if you sign yourself in (and can sign yourself out of at will) or have been diagnosed by 3 independant psychiatrists none of whom are aquainted and none of whom are allowed to see any opinions of the other two , and in which all three diagnoses are identical and im with you.

          As psychology isnt a science and can test a microscopic percentage of the things it proclaims i dont see that happening though. How about this instead: we get Universal healthcare, refuse to pay for Anything that isnt scientifically tested, and provide that care to those people. Noone will go for that either though, least of all the psychiatric profession.

          Voters will choose a person who fights a losing battle for his principles over one who fights winning battles against them every time.

          by cdreid on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 09:20:30 AM PST

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