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  •  Please consider ... (45+ / 0-)

    Emailing this info to Stewart. Liberals aren't the ones gunning down innocent people with whom they disagree politically. That is a uniquely right-wing phenomenon. There is no equivalent on the left in American politics and if we want it to stop we need to stop acting like there is.

    •  Well (12+ / 0-)

      I think Jon has a specific point of view on these issues.  He wants a country of reason and sanity in its political discourse.  An admirable goal but unfortunately not realistic so long as the Republican party is beholden to its extremist base.

      In addition, I'm not sure he would even see it if I sent it (staff probably screens emails).  Plus he's not a journalist.  I don't think he plans to comment further on the Tuscon shootings.

      However, you are free to quote me verbatim in any email you send.

      "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

      by Steven D on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 07:51:35 AM PST

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      •  But our society has to be shocked (4+ / 0-)

        now.  It has gotten worse and worse.  The one with the most outrageous statement gets the attention....witness Paylin.  

        I use tattoes as an example.  Everyone has a tattoo now.  So, what is the next generation of "rebels" going to have to do to shock?

        The words that are used are used for a reason....they break through the noise and rile people up.  As we have learned, riling people up is good business, in terms of commerce and political fundraising.

        So, we are kind of stuck.  All the pleas to tone-down the rhetoric will fall on deaf ears, because no one hears the calm and rational person.  They notice the spittle-flinging, red-faced person instead.  It is how our society works now and I don't even know if we can change it.

        •  The face jewelry and other body piercings, too. (1+ / 0-)
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          Those are also designed to shock, as there are also (as with tatoos) personal reasons for those personal body arts.

        •  The future is body mods (0+ / 0-)

          (warning graphic images appear when you Google that).  People are already modifying themselves with implants and the future will bring only more advanced technologies.  

          Jim Mielke's wireless blood-fueled display is a true merging of technology and body art. At the recent Greener Gadgets Design Competition, the engineer demonstrated a subcutaneously implanted touch-screen that operates as a cell phone display, with the potential for 3G video calls that are visible just underneath the skin.

            Electronic tattoo display runs on blood

          •  The future looks pretty fucking (1+ / 0-)
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            bleak.  Everyone will be so fucking fat from not needing to move at ALL that the human race will die right out LOL!

            •  Not everyone. Those with money will download into (0+ / 0-)

              new cybernetic bodies. :)  The problem is that the future will continue our trend of more technology leading to even bigger splits between the haves and have-nots.  It is essential to lay the foundations of the future today but the conservatives have hijacked the country and continue to argue the past. They keep fracturing the country along the same old lines so that the wealthy may squeeze a few more bucks out of everyone else.

      •  Stewart is part of (2+ / 0-)
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        the problem imo.  He's among those drawing false equivalencies.

      •  Stewart is, I think, partly right (8+ / 0-)

        But he's missing something. I think he's right that the rhetoric didn't directly "cause" this massacre. What I think he's missing is that the atmosphere of violent hard right rhetoric can give permission to unstable people who are inclined to this kind of violence.

        It's clear that Loughner does not represent the right wing fringe. The only thing they have in common is that some of them are as whacky as he is. The issue with the rhetoric, I think, is that our media have provided a platform and credibility to fringe thinking that a generation ago would have been simply dismissed as crazy - the way the John Birch Society was in the 60s.

        Now we hear the fringe ideas, the calls for violent revolution, the accusations of "destroying our country", existential crisis, "socialist" and "terrorist", we hear these repeated and given credibility to the point that it becomes difficult to sort our reality from the noise. And in the midst of that, a whacko like Jared Loughner finds the permission to take what he thinks of as justice into his own hands.

        Toning down the rhetoric is not going to prevent other such tragedies. Even restricting gun ownership is not going to do it. But it certainly can't hurt to try to label the fringe ideation for what it is, and to try to push back against the rhetoric.

        Back to basics. Letters to the editors, blogs, email bloggers and editors who give platforms to craziness with reasoned argument. I don't know what else we can do.

        Taxes: the use fee for an orderly society.

        by Mr Bojangles on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 09:43:52 AM PST

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    •  What about that guy (0+ / 0-)

      that shot the people in the Discovery Channel building?  Wasn't he influenced by a radical strand of the environmental movement?

      "Mitt Romney is a plastic man who has no brain." - Tom Woods

      by methinshaw on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 11:15:18 AM PST

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      •  He had starter pistols and shot nobody. (1+ / 0-)
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        That crazy was the only person killed there.  He wasn't so much pro-environment as anti-human and hated "anchor babies" and immigrants.

        But the false equivalence might stick if you repeat it enough times.

        •  Granted his political views were a mismash (1+ / 0-)
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          of ideas but so is the minds of most people that resort to mass murder.  A lot of people listen to talk radio and watch Fox News.  If their words were really fomenting a right-wing revolution, don't you think a lot more people would have been attacked by this point?  So far it's been a few loonies that have resorted to violence.

          If a crazy guy shots a bunch of people tomorrow and said he did it because Keith Olbermann said so, does that automatically make Countdown hate speech?  Do we have to search the ramblings of crazy people to determine what speech is exceptable political discourse?  Is it a contest to see which side has the most loons?

          "Mitt Romney is a plastic man who has no brain." - Tom Woods

          by methinshaw on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 12:12:40 PM PST

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      •  Yes, he was (2+ / 0-)
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        There was a time that extremists were isolated or in small cells - shunned by mainstream society, like whatever group influenced him.

        Unfortunately, we are now in an age where extremists on the right aren't shunned, but rewarded with multi-million tv and radio contracts and multiple book deals.

        And that's a huge problem.  As long as extremism leads to wealth and power, it won't be shunned.

        "You must do the thing that you think you cannot do" - Eleanor Roosevelt

        by Gay In Maine on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 11:34:23 AM PST

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      •  He had an ongoing problem with (0+ / 0-)

        the channel because they did not pick up the reality show he was pitching them.  He did not have a series of radio and television shows whispering in his ear 24/7.

        Lee appears to have posted environmental and population-control demands online, saying humans are ruining the planet and that Discovery should develop programs to sound the alarm.

        Police kill Discovery building gunman

        Show me where talk of population control is being discussed, never mind advocated on television.  There is no culture in the US that helps nurture ideas like that and no media outlet in the mainstream that would run stories like that.  The right provides a safe haven for radical ideas, the left does not.

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