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  •  This was FP'd earlier (1+ / 0-)
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    with the sentiment that King was simply covering his own ass.  Cynical as I am, I think he's actually trying to promote a "violence (and gun) control" meme for his image although every elected official faces the same danger.

    Behind the scenes, I'm sure Republicans are quaking at the prospects that they'll be blamed for the Tuscon shooting as well as the violent tenor of the recent debate.  (They're begging Rush and Beck to keep up the beat!)

    Yes.  It is a start.  I'm reeeally hoping that the focus on the violence and provocation can be maintained as we witness Rep. Giffords' recovery (as well as the others) and resumption of her elected duties.  

    I used to be Snow White...but I drifted.

    by john07801 on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 07:11:11 PM PST

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    •  Yes, it was FP'd with the cynical view that (1+ / 0-)
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      he wanted protection for himself, period.  He's also Homeland Security so it is logical for him to put something like this forward.

      The GOP is so lost as a political force that they either can't or don't see that Rush Limbaugh is sitting at a desk in a studio, most likely has the best and most expensive security he can buy and is safe as kittens as he spews his hate and challenges to the crazies to act out.

      The Right simply is not capable of clear thinking, IMO.

      My thinking is that the shooter is going to be able to go with an insanity defense and that wouldn't require any outside provocation as in naming specific hate talkers.

      May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

      by msmacgyver on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 07:28:37 PM PST

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        His Homeland Security status gives his position more credence.  But I can't help to think that it's a "gun control," "violence control" meme.  I'm cynical in that way.

        The right-thinking right appreciates the fringe right, right now.  Their views have been overpowered by stridency and they have not choice.  So, now, they're begging Limbaugh and Beck for political cover.

        Jared Loughner faces an uphill battle if he wants to allege insanity.  After Hinckley's successful defense, the rule were tightened (actually reversed) to a more stringent standard (the M’Naghten test) from years ago.  So much for social improvement.

        I used to be Snow White...but I drifted.

        by john07801 on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 07:55:05 PM PST

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        •  Oh, I agree that this is about potential violence (1+ / 0-)
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          to politicians.  

          Limbaugh and Beck are defending Palin both directly and indirectly by their defense of all irreponsible hate talkers.

          We need to keep the entertainers distinct from the politicians whose lives could be in danger.  The entertainers are safe and sound in their broadcast studios or bunkers.  

          If Loughner's insanity defense falls through, he will need a scapegoat and hate talkers would fit that requirement.  This isn't over by a long shot.

          May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

          by msmacgyver on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 09:28:10 PM PST

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      •  I'm neither a psych nor a lawyer, but... (0+ / 0-)

        ...I don't think the "not responsible by reason of insanity" is going to fly here. The shooter seems "crazy" in a non-medical sense, but the legal test in most jurisdictions is something more or less like: At the time of the act, was the shooter so out of touch with reality that he didn't realize what he was doing was criminal? And the burden is on his defense to demonstrate that--not on the prosecutor to refute it.

        The guy seems to be paranoid and a bit illogical, but (in my totally non-expert opinion) not insane in the legal sense.

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