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  •  Just to be clear (11+ / 0-)

    It's not an idea I relish, but its hard to drag folks kicking and screaming into the human right of health care -- let alone migrating them for something they consider a government conspiracy.

    I was just saying that the strong activists and leaders should migrate now, individually, and put down roots -- like the scientists and national security peeps are quietly doing -- so they are in a position where they can be useful.

    Doors will close in some areas. Just sayin'

    •  But where is safe? (2+ / 0-)
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      Where there's not sea level rise, there will be other floods, or droughts, or tropical diseases moving into formerly temperate areas, or permafrost melt, or...

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      by cai on Sun Jan 16, 2011 at 04:57:31 PM PST

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      •  It is possible to predict definitively unsafe (6+ / 0-)

        such as flood plains and low-lying coastal regions.  After that, the more educated the guess, the better the odds.  But there is a reason it's coming to be called "climate chaos".

        We cannot selectively numb our emotions. Along with the yucky stuff go compassion, gratitude, and a sense of belonging. -Brene Brown

        by geomoo on Sun Jan 16, 2011 at 05:36:05 PM PST

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        •  Well, exactly. (2+ / 0-)
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          Nowhere will be "safe" from crop blight or drought.

          And while the idea of people with relevant skills putting themselves in positions to help is all very well, I worry that this idea of a "safe place" to go also inspires a lot of selfish wealthy people who think they can just use their money to escape, and therefore don't have to worry about the consequences of climate change.

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          by cai on Sun Jan 16, 2011 at 08:01:35 PM PST

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      •  Watch for Canada (5+ / 0-)
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        to build a border fence.

        "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

        by Geenius at Wrok on Sun Jan 16, 2011 at 05:38:00 PM PST

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        •  It's going to hit them harder than us (1+ / 0-)
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          in some ways.  They have a lot more land near the Arctic Circle than we do, and warming is happening faster near the poles.

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          by cai on Sun Jan 16, 2011 at 08:02:58 PM PST

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          •  But their growing season will lengthen nt (3+ / 0-)
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            "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

            by Geenius at Wrok on Sun Jan 16, 2011 at 08:42:12 PM PST

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            •  True, but just because they'll have the warmth (1+ / 0-)
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              for crops doesn't mean they'll have the soil.  People who think the Midwest bread basket can just migrate North do not grasp that soil quality matters.

              (And yes, soil quality can be improved, but if you're starting with sand or clay, it's going to take a lot of time and/or amendments to improve it.  And if you have rock, you're just SOL.)

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              by cai on Sun Jan 16, 2011 at 11:35:06 PM PST

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