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  •  Religion has been used throughout history (1+ / 0-)
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    to fire up warriers to fight more fiercely. It's pretty much the nature of the beast. Hell, without religion, you wouldn't even be able to demonize the enemy.

    It seems to me that the whole purpose of the military is to fight, injure, and kill, all of which is usually much harder on soldiers than trying to pull their religious strings is.

    So, yes, it's annoying and un-American when one's superiors try to foist their religion on you, but there are lots of much worse things going on, IMHO.

    •  Easy to say when you're not the one (6+ / 0-)

      being pressured, while sitting safely at a keyboard at home.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Tue Jan 18, 2011 at 03:04:31 PM PST

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          If you aren't, I really don't care what you think.  I was a Navy Wife for 15 of the 22 years of my marriage. We are Wiccan. I think my husband would feel extremely angry if someone tried to force him to talk to a chaplain of a faith he didn't believe in.

          I lived overseas on  abse for 7 of thsoe eyars. For 18 months, we had a rabidly Christian base CO--and we'd just had Bush state that he didn't think Wicca was a real religion and the military shouldn't encourage it. One damned exec order could have banned WIccans fromusing base facilities--which INCLUDE base housing.  In other words, all it would take was one complaint to a lunatic CO like ours, and I could have been kicked out of base housing and sent back the States for the duration of my hsuband's 3 year term.  WIth NO housing allowance to rent a place to live in when I got there.

          Sure there are worse thigns thant is appallign disregard foir the first amendment, but it's damned hard onthe individual soldier who  doesn't have the suport of his buddies becuase some moran has ginne dthem up agaisnt him over religion.  I and my hsuband have wodnered if soem of thsoe friendly fire incidents weren't reallya ccidents, especially with the push to "convert" new recruits.

          The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

          by irishwitch on Tue Jan 18, 2011 at 08:50:53 PM PST

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    •  Funny thing about the word "demon"... (6+ / 0-)

      ...etymologically, it's derived from the same root as the word "deity" and the Latin word for God "Deus."  The Greek predecessor to the word "demon" was used to reference more localized lesser deities, kind of like the kami in Japanese Shinto.  Of course Christianity couldn't dare to let anything stand that wasn't Christianity, so such local folk lesser deities, aka the demons, were demonized.

    •  Fellow Christians have had no trouble killing (4+ / 0-)

      each other over the years. The Founders knew that well enough and it was to avoid religious wars that they instituted the separation of church and state.

      Democrats work to achieve Bedford Falls. Republicans work to achieve Pottersville. It's a wonderful life.

      by Mayfly on Tue Jan 18, 2011 at 03:30:45 PM PST

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    •  "there are lots of much worse things going on" (6+ / 0-)

      I'm not sure what could be worse than unnecessarily adding to psychological stress during wartime, and doing so in a clearly unconstitutional manner.

    •  When your career advancement... (6+ / 0-)

      ....depends on it, it's a much bigger thing.

    •  These People Are Working to Take Over the Country (6+ / 0-)

      and being allied with global economic ownership they're damned far along with it.

      They ARE what's worse going on.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Jan 18, 2011 at 04:29:32 PM PST

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    •  Spirituality vs religion (2+ / 0-)
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      This test is religion under cover of spirituality. It purports to use spirituality, to help predict resilience, but it is really aligned with a small subset of popular religions. And, if spirituality is vaguely enough understood to admit this confusion, then a test of it ought not be allowed.

      Yes, there are a lot worse things about being in the military. I hear that the exhaustion, the unfamiliar climates, the stuff blowing up here and there, and of course the ever-present possibility of both killing and dying can get to people. But, if an appointment with the chaplain turns from an opportunity for friendly help, into a punishment for failing to comply with the evangelicals, then our kids have lost the one safe outlet they had for their feelings.

      Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

      by chimpy on Tue Jan 18, 2011 at 06:37:20 PM PST

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