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  •  I would love to see... (6+ / 0-)

    specific examples of rules that cause burdens on business, and specific examples of those burdens and detailed explanations of why they are a burden.

    For many years I hear the Chamber complaining about government, but I would like the facts and details so that I can decide for myself whether they are a burden.  But, of course, I never get any details -only generic complaints.

    Just to clear the deck, I don't own any monkeys.

    by Issek on Wed Jan 19, 2011 at 06:38:33 PM PST

    •  Don't you get it? (6+ / 0-)

      Businesses have to be free to do whatever the hell they want without regulation.

      Otherwise, they'll just pack up and move to a place that will allow them to do whatever the hell they want without regulation.

      •  So chillingly true. (2+ / 0-)
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        It's pretty scary when our friends, the radical right, are ready to piss on the flag they worship in the name of a more truculent regime: China.

        From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

        by satrap on Wed Jan 19, 2011 at 06:44:39 PM PST

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      •  That is how it should be framed... (2+ / 0-)
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        Mr MadAsHell, satrap

        line by line -your health and safety and social security etc. versus the regulations that cause business to behave in a certain manner

        Just to clear the deck, I don't own any monkeys.

        by Issek on Wed Jan 19, 2011 at 06:45:45 PM PST

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      •  Yeah, and they should pack up and (5+ / 0-)
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        try to do business in a place like China.  They'd be fucked and they know it, but we keep buying into this canard that there are other places that they could go and do business as successfully and easily as they do here with all of the infrastructure, freedom and efficiency that this country offers.  Fuck 'em.  Tell them to take a hike.  They'll be back in minutes - or they'll never leave - they know what it is like outside this safe cocoon called the United States.

        •  Exactly. (3+ / 0-)
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          In exchange for the infrastructure and workforce, we make them abide by regulations.  Tell 'em to deal with it.

          •  Do not forget the freedom part. (1+ / 0-)
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            I've worked in China.  You don't get the same internet.  You aren't allowed to pursue any and all ideas.  They block that sort of activity.  We had to figure out a way of getting around the government censorship for a stupid freakin' meeting that had to do with a major multi-national.  They would not do well headquartered in a country like China.  They could work there only as long as they have countries like the US where they can freely exchange ideas and information, but not without them.

    •  Well, here's the claim (2+ / 0-)
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      unless banks are free to make loans to people who don't understand their terms, they can't make money.  Simply following the old, boring banking model of borrowing short and lending long is insufficient in this day and age.  This is more likely than not a function of declining real wages for most Americans, but instead of trying to reverse that trend and make money they way they did in the post-war era, they'd rather just extract whatever money's left, and charge all manner of fees when the money isn't there.

      Or, Tom Donohue is being serious when he says regulations and an agency that don't exist yet are stifling business.  

      "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

      by Loge on Wed Jan 19, 2011 at 06:58:31 PM PST

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    •  It's about the intersection of (0+ / 0-)
      short-term gain and tunnel vision, the sort of tunnel vision that results in individuals doing what ought to be best for them if a few do it, but in fact means no advantage if they all do it.

      If a business owner reduces worker pay, he can clearly increase profits. If the government were to remove minimum wage protections and that business cut pay even more, his profits would be even greater. If every business did that, there would be no market for any consumer products. That's where we're headed.

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