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  •  How is a baby (0+ / 0-)

    different 1 minute before delivery and 1 minute after, other than still being in your body?  Would you ask for an abortion even after you went into labor, or suggest that any other woman should do so if she was not in medical danger?

    And if you tell me you would 'absolutely' do something in particular at that stage, how is that really a choice, if the outcome is predetermined?

    I'd say at that point in time (in labor), you have the 'choice' to abort, but you're not going to find anyone willing to help you do so unless they actually feel the birth will pose a serious risk to your health.

    •  If you have to ask that question (1+ / 0-)
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      you have obviously missed the point.  I have never heard of a woman asking for an abortion as she goes into labor.

      I do however know of women who have needed one in the last trimester - for a whole host of reasons.  

      Again - it should be her choice in consultation with her doctor.


      "If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition" Bernice Johnson Reagon

      by Denise Oliver Velez on Sat Jan 22, 2011 at 09:27:14 AM PST

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      •  Here comes Aunt Mary, unfortunately. (1+ / 0-)
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        Aunt Mary was stuck in transit and could not be delivered and her mother was dying, given the absence in that time and place of medical help of any kind, where Caesarians were not available. And her mother was on the edge of death from the delivery that couldn't. If nothing was done, both were dead within minutes. The choice for the mother was made then, and Aunt Mary, still stuck, was done to pieces, and only the nonviable pieces delivered, in order that at least the mother survived. In 1910.  All over the world are mothers who will deliver without doctors or the possibility of Caesarians or anything much else. Some of them have the same problem my grandmother had as to Aunt Mary. 'Less Common' is not the same as "it doesn't happen that way.'

        The only think remarkable about Aunt Mary, other than the continuing respect and love for and grief for the loss of what could have been her, was that in that place and time, my grandfather made the choice for one life, over against none. Frequently the woman has no choice but to labor on, no matter what the outcome becomes as the delivery won't and then won't and then won't, until her heart fails.

        So please don't say that this choice does not occur somewhere in the process of delivery. It can.  

        •  I don't call those abortions. Sorry if (0+ / 0-)

          I was unclear.  

          Which is why I said I have never heard any woman ask for an abortion in "oh...I cannot deal with being pregnant at this point in my life"(which is okay by me) To me a life saving medical procedure is not an abortion.

          But I guess I don't like the term period, to be honest.

          "If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition" Bernice Johnson Reagon

          by Denise Oliver Velez on Sun Jan 23, 2011 at 07:28:12 AM PST

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