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  •  God strike me down, (2+ / 0-)
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    for defending Mumia protestors, but I'm pretty sure they want to see him released because they do not believe he killed Officer Faulkner, or if he did, he did not get a fair trial.  Now, it just so happens that Mumia is guilty as hell, and if he didn't get a fair trial it was every bit as much a result of his refusal to cooperate with his attorney in his defense as it was bias by the judge.  And I happen to agree he shouldn't be executed, though that's not a position I hold specific to Mumia.  Still, I'm pretty sure nobody out there thinks it was a good thing that a police officer got shot.

    And what to make of the logical leap:  person 1 is on the left and wants to kill the police.  Person 2 wants to kill the police, therefore person 2 is on the left.  Even if you believe ALL people on the left want to kill the police, it's still illogical -- specifically, the fallacy of affirming the consequent.

    I wish WIlliam F. Buckley, Jr. were alive -- they'd be calling him a RINO elitist.  (Yes on elitist, though -- the cat could play a mean harpsichord.)

    "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

    by Loge on Sat Jan 29, 2011 at 07:28:02 AM PST

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    •  As a supporter of MOVE and Mumia (0+ / 0-)

      I would only ask that you look at the facts of his case before you say things like "result of his refusal to cooperate with his attorney in his defense as it was bias by the judge." when it is a fact that the judge said he wanted to "kill that nigger."

      "Sad songs are nature's onions."-Mr. Show

      by cedar park on Sat Jan 29, 2011 at 09:41:04 AM PST

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      •  I became interested in the case, (0+ / 0-)

        because I'm from the Philadelphia area and interested in anti-death penalty cases.  But the more I read about the matter, from sources who weren't trying to score one point or another, the more I became convinced of his guilt.  (I can think of no credible alternative explanation for the bullets matching Mumia's gun, and whatever other issues there may have been with the witnesses, they're not unique to those who see shootings at 4 in the morning.)  The declaration to which you refer came years after the alleged incident, was uncorroborated, and was never tested in court.  (It may be a "fact," in the sense of having actually happened, but neither you nor I know.)  But the best chance Judge Sabo gave of an acquittal was to reverse his decision letting Mumia act as his own lawyer.  Maybe he was just protecting what he thought the eventual verdict would be from appeals, but you tip your own bias.  Does the information seem credible to you because you like the conclusions that follow from it, or does the allegation seem credible beforehand (despite being total hearsay) and therefore you develop a strong view of Mumia's factual innocence?  As long as there are people on American death rows with stronger claims of factual innocence than Mumia, and support for whom doesn't require indulging in Radical Chic, focus on his case as an anti-death penalty strategy is straight-up counterproductive.  In terms of MOVE, they were basically a cult.  I find it hard to reconcile the gigantic piles of shit as a rejection of technology with arming themselves to the teeth.

        I resent the implication, though, that lack of support for Mumia's innocence claims reflects unfamiliarity with the facts.  

        "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

        by Loge on Sat Jan 29, 2011 at 05:04:12 PM PST

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