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  •  X is a very old abbreviation/symbol (14+ / 0-)

    ... for Christ.  Or spelled Krist in some countries in different centuries and/or different regions.  X is the abbreviation for either spelling.  [There is no K in the Latin alphabet, so when the older Greek was translated into Latin, the monks wrote C for the K sound.  Hence, Keltoi became Celt/Celts, but to be absolutely correct, the word is pronounced with a K sound, as are other more Irish/Gaelic words beginning with C - they're pronounced with a hard K sound.  "The 'Seltics' are a basketball team; the Celts are a people."]

    I see the X abbreviation all the time (sometimes on a monthly, weekly, occasionally daily, basis) while doing genealogy research in old baptism, confirmation, marriage, and death records I find in Norway, Denmark, and Sweden from 1-400 years old, but I've read (in how to do genealogy research books) and been told by other researchers who pore through old documents in other countries that X was also used in other old church documents in other countries in which I've not done research from original documents.

    Xtopher, Xopher, Xtoffer, Xoffer, Xtian, Xian, Xtine, Xine, etc., are a few examples.  Some of those documents have modern transcriptions and the transcriptions have to be exactly what was written and are in a searchable database, so if a researcher is looking for a name that begins with Christ/Krist, the researchers have to remember the old abbreviation and do a 'starts with' X search to get a hit if 'starts with' Ch or K hasn't been successful.  In a world of non-standard spelling and arbitrary phonetic spelling where regional dialects matter, plus one old abbreviation, name searches become an adventure into the world of etymology..., and 'how many ways can a name be spelled?'

    Toss in interchangeable letters (V/W, I/J, G/K, V/F etc.) and Latin spellings where J replaces I because the person writing the records was trained in Latin as well as his own native language, then maybe a German spelling in another area because the record-keeper in that area was educated in Germany, plus three extra vowels to their alphabet..., and it's rather humorous after a while.  It becomes a challenge to out-smart the old scribes.  [Then there's the matter of bumerkers because most of the common people were illiterate and invented their own personal logos that no one else could use; that's a whole 'nuther sub-specialty of research....]

    The more modern abbreviation example that has made some modern [historically illiterate] Xtians screech about inappropriateness is Xmas.  It was/is a valid abbreviation for Christmas.

    The modern people [the modern Xtian religious fanatics who have never even read the Bible] making a fuss about Xmas have never done any genealogy research in hand-written old original church documents or they'd know the abbreviation is many centuries old.  Not that they've even read our founding documents that are over 300 years old and which do not contain the words Christ or Christian.  Heaven forbid that they educate themselves or work from original documents.  They'd rather listen to the ravings of Beckkk, O'Lielly, Huckabee, LimpBalls, and some of the other ranters who lack intellectual acumen.

    In any case, the X = Christ/Krist abbreviation goes back centuries in old Xtian church records.

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Sat Jan 22, 2011 at 01:01:36 PM PST

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    •  Over 300 years old? (2+ / 0-)
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      You must not be talking about the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. Neither was written before 1711. Or is it already 2084 where you are?

      We are not given mercy because we deserve it, but because we need it.

      by Ahianne on Sat Jan 22, 2011 at 05:25:24 PM PST

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      •  "almost" = "about", good enough. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      •  Oops! Typo on my part - (3+ / 0-)
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        RunawayRose, Ahianne, Ana Thema

        ... at least for the Declaration and the Constitution.

        OTOH, might have been a Freudian Slip if I think about it.  Branches of my maternal ancestors signed the Mayflower Compact (11 Nov 1620), and branchs of my paternal ancestors signed the Portsmouth Compact (7 March 1638 = 7th day of First Month is the old Quaker dating system from when March 24 was New Year's Day;  after 1752 and the New Style dating system, the Quakers labeled March the Third Month).  One of those signers who was my direct ancestor was the first president of RI long before the Revolutionary War and Declaration and Constitution were even thought of.  In modern terms he's called the first governor in some sources.  In some RI sources he was called president.  A different ancestor of mine was also an early president/governor of RI (so were two of his sons, but not the one who was the first husband of the daughter of the first RI prez), but he didn't sign the Portsmouth Compact.

        I have multiple colonial New England ancestors.

        Hope you will forgive me for the typo and my Freudian Slip since I was thinking of my ancestors who signed early documents when I was writing the first comment.

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Sat Jan 22, 2011 at 07:52:11 PM PST

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