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  •  As is doing the same stuff without the GMOs. (2+ / 0-)
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    I like what Stoneyfield is doing here, but much of what is touted as benefits of GMOs, like no-till, predate GMOs and doesn't require them.

    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt -

    by enhydra lutris on Sun Jan 23, 2011 at 10:17:55 AM PST

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    •  No, it doesn't require them (0+ / 0-)

      and it's funny--a lot of people who wail about GMOs have little grasp that the things they are actually wailing about are business and logistics issues around farming and not about GMOs.

      But for many reasons farmers are using GMOs at very high rates. They aren't stupid, so there must be benefits for them.

      But I also love to see the Amish using GMOs:
      Amish farmers embrace GM crops.

      Darwinic pilgrims claim the image fills them with an overwhelming feeling of logic. --The Onion

      by mem from somerville on Sun Jan 23, 2011 at 10:22:15 AM PST

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      •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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        But for many reasons farmers are using GMOs at very high rates. They aren't stupid, so there must be benefits for them.

        Though the benefits may have been overhyped and the farmers may have been conned to some degree. For corporate industrial agriculture, however, they are probably the way to go

        That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt -

        by enhydra lutris on Sun Jan 23, 2011 at 11:26:03 AM PST

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    •  Organic no-till requires a more (1+ / 0-)
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      time on tractors (more diesel). That's what farmers love about RR corn. One pass and your done.

      "Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons."

      by the fan man on Sun Jan 23, 2011 at 11:38:49 AM PST

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      •  Not necessrily. One pass with a seed drill is one (1+ / 0-)
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        pass with a seed drill.

        That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt -

        by enhydra lutris on Sun Jan 23, 2011 at 03:20:23 PM PST

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        •  Not what I've read, but I'm open to more info. (1+ / 0-)
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          Rodale No-Till Revolution
          There were issues with cutworms and other critters that loved the mulch laid down by no til organic. When you consider what farmers were doing before Roundup, it was a step forward. Organic requires a very different set of protocols.

          "Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons."

          by the fan man on Sun Jan 23, 2011 at 03:30:57 PM PST

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          •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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            Rodale doesn't necessarily have all of the answers any more than Monsanto and DOW do. A lot depends on the crop and cover crop, on crop alternation, etc. Some folks have even used a modified paddock system following a grain or other crop with cattle (dairy or beef, grazing stubble and cover crop) before the next crop, on short rotations. There is also the whole thing with beneficial insects and providing reservoirs for them.

            You'll notice in the Rodale video that they strive for one pass kill of the cover crop and planting by doing one on each end of the tractor. You'll also notice that they ae using rye grass as a cover crop and a planter which creates a furrow, drops n a seed and then re=closes it. A lot of the early stuff I recall in CA used low growing cover crops and simply punched the seeds right through it with seed drills. I think this may depend on whether or not the idea is simply to plant corn, year after year after year versus whether or not there is any crop alternation, but I am far from expert and don't know all the details, other than that it was not a multi-pass operation to plant. and could be as simple as one pass to harvest at harvest time and another to plant come planting season.

            IIRC U.C.Davis, California Dept of Ag. and other parts of the UC System and maybe some Oregon resources were onto this back as eaarly as the seventies.

            That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt -

            by enhydra lutris on Sun Jan 23, 2011 at 07:58:09 PM PST

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            •  Thanks, I'm not an expert either. We need more (1+ / 0-)
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              research $ invested into alternatives to the current crop of herbicides. There are some very interesting herbicides based on naturally occurring compounds, not having to apply herbicides would be even better. Low input/sustainable will be the future.

              "Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons."

              by the fan man on Mon Jan 24, 2011 at 04:48:15 AM PST

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