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    1. The battle on the ice as described in the movie never happened, prince Alexander was a collaborator with the occupying army of the Golden Horde.
    1. Sergei Prokofiev was on the government shit list for a large part of his life.
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      kalmoth

      ...seem to take it as some sort of victory for their part.

      The battle is far from the only inaccuracy. The movie carefully manipulates many historical facts in a dishonest way. At the very beginning of the movie, a loss by Novgorod to the Mongols is carefully shown with skulls on a battlefield, but disguised by a triumphant Prokofiev chant suggesting a Russian military victory.

      Although the Mongols were really the great terror, or at least conqueror of the time, the introduction of the Mongols for one scene is only for the slightest touch of reality. The Mongols are whisked away like yesterday's paper so that the barbaric Teutons (Germans) can be set up as the punching bag for the movie.

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      by Nulwee on Sun Jan 23, 2011 at 04:37:10 PM PST

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        The movie carefully manipulates many historical facts in a dishonest way.

        Big time.

        the very beginning of the movie, a loss by Novgorod to the Mongols

        Never happened. Novgorod was never taken.

        •  You're right. (1+ / 0-)
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          Novgorod was not under Mongol yoke. I forgot the exact details of the battle's portrayal in the movie, and it was probably meant to be somewhere near Novgorod's backyard. What I remember is that it was a definite Russian loss almost portrayed as a victory through Prokofiev's magician skills.

          Corporations have been enthroned and an ERA of corruption in high places will follow -- Lincoln. -9.38, -5.18

          by Nulwee on Sun Jan 23, 2011 at 04:46:28 PM PST

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      •  "manipulates historical facts" (1+ / 0-)
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        Well, manipulates an already distorted history... Consider the source of most of the information about Nevsky, which is already propaganda, albeit in different service.  

        However, I do have to correct one thing you've said here: the film doesn't show or imply Mongol subjugation of Novgorod but, according to the opening intertitles, of Rus'.  The opening scene takes place near Yaroslavl', not Novgorod, and the Yaroslavl' region was indeed trounced by the Mongols during the 1237-8 invasion.  As for the music, I can only recommended re-viewing the movie.  Prokofiev's music in no way presents the Mongol defeat as heroic: it's melancholy and brooding.

        As for how the film treats the Mongol thing otherwise, it's a strange bit of negotiation between Eisenstein's fast-and-loose history and the propaganda needs of the state.  Remember that Nevsky was sainted for collaboration with the Mongols (his 'negotiation for peace'), so it's both the reason he's historically significant and the last thing that can be granted him by the Soviet authorities.  His bold posturing in the movie is an outright lie.

        Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

        by pico on Sun Jan 23, 2011 at 10:44:05 PM PST

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