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  •  Nancy Drew's friend George (none)
    For those who are Nancy illiterate, George was a boy, something of a tomboy.  (Ned Nickerson was the hapless boyfriend.)
    Incidentally, if you liked Nancy, you should also read the Dana Girls by the same author.
    •  Hey (none)
      I thought I was the only one in the world who had read Dana girls!

      ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

      by bibble on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 08:59:01 PM PST

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      •  Dana girls (none)
        My mother (born 1925) had all those books.  I went through her boxes of books when I was a kid and ran out of other things to read.  I loved mysteries of a certain type.
        It also helped me to learn what a roadster was.  Nancy had one.
        The worst I ever found in her collection was one of the original books out of a movie.  It was entitled "Deanna Curbin and the Feather of Flame".  It was just awful.
        On the other hand, for you trivia buffs and given the number of "gay" posts, Deanna Durbin did a short called something like "Sunday Bandstand" in which she did a duet with young Frances Gumm.  It was Frances's screen test and they sang, literally, on a bandstand with a Sunday concert 1930's type band behind them.
        Frances then changed her name to Judy Garland.
        (Sorry, but all this gay talk made this impossible to resist.)
        •  I read all the Nancy Drew Books (none)
          over and over, but I only had 2 Dana girls books that I remember.  I read them over and over too.  Do you think we're all just frustrated Nancy Drews and Dana Girls, given our investigative bent(s)?  I too learned what a roadster was because of reading Nancy Drew mysteries, and that knowledge has been invaluable in my daily life.

          ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

          by bibble on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 10:51:56 PM PST

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        •  Durbin/Gumm (none)
          . . . if you really want to see that duet but can't find
          the short, it's excerpted in "That's Entertainment" (the
          movie that was on MGM musicals), or "That's Entertainment,
          vol. 2".

          I found that particular duet to be wonderful; I only wish
          I had such a flexible and accurate singing voice.

          (Well, okay, so my mind's full of trivia. . . )

          Alban

          •  Hi, Alban! (none)
            I think I have seen every Deanna Durbin movie.

            RTE, the Irish television network, did a "Deanna Durbin Festival" back in the 70s, showing every one of her films they could get their hands on, one every weekend. Sadly, though her singing was lovely, the films were pretty forgettable. . .

            To none will we sell, to none deny or delay, right or justice. Magna Carta 1215

            by Robespierrette on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 11:55:56 AM PST

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            •  Deanna Durbin (none)
              Yeah, well, if her films had been memorable, she would
              have achieved the fame and fortune of Francis Gumm,
              right?

              . . . <sigh> If only talent was transferable: not every
              great singer can act, not every nobel laureate can
              do great art, nor can every great politician think. . .

              Alban (pessimist? me? can't be!)

    •  George was a girl. (none)
      Slim and dark haired she was invariably referred to as "boyish George".
      "Titian haired" Nancy's other friend was the blond "plump Beth (Bess?)".

      "The world is a church and life is its service." Norman Andrews

      by Bionic on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 08:59:25 PM PST

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    •  the author (none)
      Just FYI, since some people don't know -- the "author" of the Nancy Drew books was (and still is) a pen name. They were all ghost-written by various people.

      • Carolyn Keene "bio" - listing people who wrote under the name
      • Salon interview with the first ghost-writer for Nancy Drew, Mildred A. Wirt Benson, who has now passed away.
      • This page says that Leslie McFarlane (a Hardy Boys writer) was the first ghost-writer for the Dana Girls, and was then succeeded by Harriet Adams.

      The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. - Sir Winston Churchill

      by drewthaler on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 01:20:32 AM PST

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