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  •  No (4.00)
    Gay life used to be very secretive; in many places it still is, not only in the Red States but at higher levels of power in the Blue. Few places will elect an openly gay politician, few shareholders are comfortable with an out CEO.

    In Boston, just a few years ago they closed down Napoleon's. It had become kind of a funny geezer bar, with old guys singing at the piano and young men showing up only on certain nights. But it started as the city's first gay club. On a side street--really an alley--in Back Bay, it was marked only by the "N" on the door. The door also had a porthole window with a hatch door, through which hopeful guests would be checked out by staff after giving the knock. Inside, it was posh in its day, with wood and chandeliers, and full of people in suits and blazers.

    An unfortunate remodel in the 1970s meant I never saw it in its full glory, nor of course did I ever see the porthole used. But it stands as the original model of the only "acceptable" gay life available to upper-class and professional men in America before the '70s.

    Or available to Republicans today.

    •  Yes gay old-timers (4.00)
      know a lot of secrets they don't share outside the community, but do share inside it.  In any city many gays know the reality about various local politicians, local TV personalities, athletes and such, but most of the time there is not reason to expose these things outside the community.
    •  Have we learned nothing in 70 years? (none)
      Smallbottle, if I didn't know the subject of this thread, I'd think you were describing the speakeasies of prohibition.  Hernando's Hideaway, ole!
      •  Booze, coke, party.. (none)
        Anyone can do anything in the right circumstance if high enough...perfect combo for blackmail...oops I did it again...
      •  Supression/Repression.. (none)
        be it alcohol, or sexuality.. is where the quicksand is.

        Always.

        cheers,

        Mitch Gore

        Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

        by Lestatdelc on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 01:44:08 AM PST

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      •  Underground bars. (none)
        The "porthole" made me think of this bar in NYC I went to a few times about eight years ago.  They had no sign, just a locked metal door with graffiti.  Knock on the door, and the bouncer (photographic memory or something, this guy) would recognize you through the peephole and allow you to bring a friend in too.

        Once you got in, it was a bar, but people were doing coke on the tables and stuff like that.  Interesting scene.  When something is illegal or not accepted, it develops an underground, and people drift in there from all walks of life.

        Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. -Albert Einstein

        by Primordial Ooze on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 12:23:25 PM PST

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