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  •  And Read "Ravelstein" (4.00)
    by Saul Bellow.  It's a roman a clef biographical sketch of Allan Bloom, author of "The Closing of the American Mind," the conservative "bible" of the eighties.  It outs Bloom as an epicurian, closeted high priest-philosopher.

     Blooms obsession is to train & guide selected students into politics.
    Wolfowitz is the best example.

    Bloom died of AIDS even though the details of his personal life were not known outside of a small circle.

    Gay marriage is a threat to them because it would de-mystify something they feel is a refined "taste" reserved for an elite "few."

    This is starting to make a lot more sense now.
    I strongly urge everyone involved in this discussion to read these books now.  If not "Closing," (it's pretty dense) at least "Ravelstein."

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      I will start with Ravelstein and maybe it will help me understand.  What they are doing seems so different from how I would live if I were in the same circumstance and so I just don't get it.  Why does anyone embrace those who would oppress them?

      "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll (CA-15)

      by kathyp on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 11:11:41 PM PST

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      •  Nobody's oppressing them (4.00)
        They're the elite. They're oppressing everybody else.

        That's the essence of Straussism. The educated few do whatever they want. Everybody else belongs to the manipulated masses.

        I've posted this link a lot, but it's truly relevant here. If you want to understand Straussian elitism, it's a must read.

        It's always the old who lead us to the war, always the young to fall -- Phil Ochs

        by litho on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 06:49:43 AM PST

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        •  If you want to understand Straussian elitism (none)
          Read Plato's Republic. It's the basis for Western notions that can be categorized under the heading "elitism". And it comes from the most superficial understanding of Western Philosophy: too many of the Right just took an Introduction to Philosophy course and never delved any further or considered non-Western philosophical thought systems.  

          Harold Bloom is the biggest charlatan in this area: lazy critical thinking and pseudo-intellectual blather and a cult following of wingers to boot!

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