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  •  And a curious question.. (0+ / 0-)

    How does the company come into existance at all.. without owners/investors ?

    •  the companies are already there (0+ / 0-)

      The only way new ones form now is by budding off of old ones, or through mergers or joint ventures of old ones.

      After all, nobody can decide one day to go out and borrow a trillion bucks from investors to start their own megacorporate company to compete with Ford or British Petroleum.

      You are still locked into that whole small-business Adam-smithian world. It no longer exists.

      •  Budding, merging, joint ventures.. (0+ / 0-)

        ,, are all based around net-worth and assets.. the stuff the owners OWN. They sell out.. the stock goes worthless, and you taker-overs are standing in a factory with no working capital (they aint comin' back).. no way to keep an inventory.. no lines of credit.. and very soon.. no customers.

        •  as I said before (0+ / 0-)

          I have no intention of BUYING their stock shares from them. I intend to TAKE them. So it won't be me who is standing there without any money or assets--it'll be the former stockholders.  I and my fellow employees will have the entire factory and all its assets.  They'll have nothing.

          They'll have to get a job like a mere mortal.

          •  If you TAKE them.. (0+ / 0-)

            .. what do you suppose becomes of their value..

            The ability for a company to secure suppiers, and lines of credit, is based on what the company is worth.

            And lets not forget the importan life-line of being able to sell corporate bonds... who in their right mind would by bonds in a company whose stock is worthless ?

            •  the value stays the same (0+ / 0-)

              The factory still produces shoes or cars or widgets, and they still have the very same value to people that they always had.

              Oh, you mean its stock value to people who want to buy shares?  Who cares---if they're not in the company and don't do any of the work, they don't deserve any share.

              •  It does not produce a THING.. (0+ / 0-)

                .. without CASH in hand.. (lemme guess.. at the same time you find a way to claim ownership of shares..you have friends at the bank who will just turn the cash over to you)... it can't insure, or bond, or do ANYthing withoud being financially sound.. including stock the warehouse with raw materials..

                This conversation is turning bizarre..

                •  it's only bizarre because (0+ / 0-)

                  you are continuing to view it in a social framework which would then no longer apply.  It's sort of like the deposed King of France looking at the French Republic and asking "but how the heck will you communicate the King's decisions to the people?"

                  Surprise.

                  Sadly, I expect you absolutely will not like anything at all that I would like to do.  Just as the King of France absolutely did not like anything the French Republic did.

                  But, like the French Republic, I have the advantage of not needing your permission.

                  •  and with that, I bid adieu (0+ / 0-)

                    This is a topic that we cannot discuss--we can only talk past each other, because we are literally in different worlds with different interests and goals. There is no resolution to it but to duke it out within the workplace--one of us will win, the other one won't. (shrug)

                    And now I must log off.  Unlike some people, I do all my own work, and have no employees to do my work for me.

                    •  Fare welll... (0+ / 0-)

                      aside from contention, it's been entertaining..

                      I'll just finally ask how one just takes shares of stock?

                      Do you got to every brokerage and force them to print documentaion of ownership that will have any legal standing ? Do you then just send notes to all the small stockholders whose 401Ks caontain that stock and demand that they surrender it ?

                      I mean.. seriously..

                    •  Oh wait... (0+ / 0-)

                      .. I think I get it now..

                      Your world requires a revolution that would wipe-out the stock market, yet still leave enough of the economy intact to support the factory.. and that the engineers, sales reps and accountants wouldn't jump ship... and you'd all go about your maerry way making better livings. Am I close ?

                      That's a string of 'ifs' each of which is more than unlikley,, with a pardox or ten thrown in.

          •  Just try it. (0+ / 0-)

            If you lose your disc or fail to follow commands, you will be subject to immediate de-resolution. That will be all.

            by SpamNunn on Sat Jan 29, 2011 at 07:18:49 AM PST

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