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  •  You can use the word "corrupt" as often as you (1+ / 0-)
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    like, but that isn't going to change the meaning of the word to fit your definition, which appears to be quite wrong.

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    by Boris Godunov on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 11:29:55 AM PST

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    •  in my opinion... (2+ / 0-)
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      lostinamerica, standupguy

      ...these are five of the most corrupt people to ever be allowed a lifetime ride on the Supreme Court.

      •  You're conflating "opinion" and "belief." (2+ / 0-)
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        They aren't the same things...

        I can say that, in my "opinion," purple is the prettiest color.  That's a subjective value, and therefore not a factual claim.

        "Corruption" is a word that requires actual facts, as it denotes things like explicit quid pro quo, bribery, etc.  That's not really an "opinion," as it's a factual claim that can either be proven true or false via evidence.

        Saying in your "opinion" that the justices are "corrupt" without actual evidence to support the charge is akin to someone saying it's their "opinion" that, oh, vaccines cause autism or that evolution isn't real.  While you're fully entitled to believe such things, that doesn't mean belief is a matter of mere opinion.  If it is, then such a belief is ill-founded.

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        by Boris Godunov on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 01:23:07 PM PST

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        •  actually...you're wrong (2+ / 0-)
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          ...people can and do have opinions about any and everything...people accept things all the time without hard evidence...in this case it is my opinion that these are among the most corrupt Supreme Court injustices in American history, but, unlike many people, there is evidence to support my opinion: by virtue of the fact that their decision has corrupted our politics even more than it already way. The result of their decision is blatant corruption of the U.S. political system by allowing unlimited amounts of corporate money. Therefore, in my opinion, the people who foisted this corruption on us, knowingly and likely of malice of forethought, are corrupt themselves.

          •  Holy circular reasoning, Batman! (0+ / 0-)

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            by Boris Godunov on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 04:50:44 PM PST

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          •  Sorry, hit enter too soon. (0+ / 0-)

            But your argument is absurdly circular:

            by virtue of the fact that their decision has corrupted our politics even more than it already way

            So the evidence that they are corrupt is that their corruption led them to make a decision that was corrupt.  But when I ask, "how do you know the decision was corrupt?" you say, "because they are corrupt!"

            head spins!

            No.  The fact that a decision may lead to an outcome that fosters corruption in a system is not evidence that the decision itself was made via corruption, nor that the people making it were corrupt.  You're making a causal connection that simply is not supported by actual facts.

            And you're still incorrect about the term "opinion" in this context.  As I said, the accusation of corruption is a factual, evidence-based one, not a matter of mere subjective taste.  Either the justices are corrupt and taking bribes or engaging in quid pro quo or what have you, or they are not.  It's a 100% factual allegation, there's nothing subjective about corruption.  Unless, as I suspect, you're conflating the word "corruption" with "opinions about the Constitution with which I don't agree..."

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            by Boris Godunov on Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 04:56:07 PM PST

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