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  •  I am sorry... (8+ / 0-)

    you view this as "hysteria".  My intent was more to discuss the possibility that given a similar set of circumstances in our own country, shutting down communications could happen.

    While we look upon Egypt's governmental responses to protests, including the use of tear gas, rubber bullets, beatings, arrests, tanks in the streets, and the like to those protesting, the same sorts of things have happened here.

    •  The world is full of possibilities (1+ / 0-)
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      ~a little change goes a long way~

      by missliberties on Sat Jan 29, 2011 at 06:40:43 AM PST

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      •  True... (1+ / 0-)
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        but some of them are more realistic and probable.  Are you suggesting that you consider the probability of cutting off access in our own country extremely unlikely given a similar set of circumstances as now underway in Egypt?  

        •  I am suggesting that anything could happen (0+ / 0-)

          Judith Miller enlightened us as to the grave a serious threats of biological warfare.
          Is it possible yes. Is it probable? Who knows.

          Similar circumstances, meaning conditions would be just like they are in Egypt here in the US. I would say highly improbable.

          ~a little change goes a long way~

          by missliberties on Sat Jan 29, 2011 at 06:48:21 AM PST

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          •  Similar... (0+ / 0-)

            does not mean "just like they are".  In any event, I wish I had your confidence that it is improbable our own country will ever face a set of circumstances whereby communications are so readily cut off.  

          •  Right. "enlightened" you are funny. (3+ / 0-)
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            She is and was a tool for the Bushies in the fear mongering state.

            She is not our friend, yours maybe.

            cast away illusions, prepare for struggle

            by Pete Rock on Sat Jan 29, 2011 at 06:59:33 AM PST

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            •  I skipped... (1+ / 0-)
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              right over the reference to Judith Miller, but you are accurate, Judith Miller played an instrumental role in driving up fear and garnering support for what I still consider an illegal and unnecessary war...  She served as a tool of the goals of an administration determined to press on with their agenda of war, although at the time there were others in media doing the same...

              •  Well isn't that what you are doing? (1+ / 0-)
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                You are driving up fear by predicting the probability of a very unlikely situation.

                So you win the lefts Judith Miller award. We could be doomed. ANd it's really scary if...... our country was just like Egypt.

                ~a little change goes a long way~

                by missliberties on Sat Jan 29, 2011 at 07:07:11 AM PST

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                •  Actually no... (1+ / 0-)
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                  that isn't what I was doing, as I indicated below; but you have a nice day as well :)

                •   look in the mirror (1+ / 0-)
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                  So you win the lefts Judith Miller award

                  The USA already has given the president extraordinary powers, wartime emergency powers.  The specific bill of Lieberman would demand new media and its applications and infrastructure like ISP's and cable/media organizations/sites   would have to comply with a suspension of First Amendment rights at the behest of the White House.

                  Your complacency and denial is right on target.

                  Keep going.  Claim this is fearmongerng, nothing to worry about.

                  You don't do anything but make excuses and apologies for handing over your own civil liberties. The award?

                  You should keep it, miss, you are earning it for your dogged persistence here

                  cast away illusions, prepare for struggle

                  by Pete Rock on Sat Jan 29, 2011 at 08:26:51 AM PST

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    •  This hysteria really needs to stop (6+ / 0-)

      "This hysteria really needs to stop" is a way of limiting the very worthwhile discussion.

      If you think its hysteria, and you are rational, smart person, ansd one that doesn't waste their time move on and prowl some other diary.

      The diarist has  very legitimate and widespread among many of us concerns that the attacks on the 4th amendment, the eighth amendment and first amendment encapsuled and feature of the Patriot's Act One and Two, the threats to libraries, to phone communication, the deep packet inspection that US security services shared with Egypt are of course a HUGE threat to our civil liberties.

      Mubarik was the junior partner to the US security state and got lots of help repressing his own people.  That was a two way street, from taking over some torture to help Bush at his request to assisting spying on Americans.

      Lieberman's bill  on Internet "kill" does nothing for our security, it is designed to make the rule of the corporations and the biggest thieves on the planet more secure.

      What would happen if an Al Jazeera or a Chinese website started reporting on a revolutionary situation in the United States? That's not going to happen of course, but the principle is exactly what happens overseas: an attempt to cut off all news and communications except official government "happy sites" and silence on what is going on.  The worst among US political leaders want the same tyrannical powers Mubarik had.

      cast away illusions, prepare for struggle

      by Pete Rock on Sat Jan 29, 2011 at 06:57:29 AM PST

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    •  Yes. When the US has had (0+ / 0-)

      a dictator for 30 years, we may mount the kind of revolutionary protests we see in Egypt. Otherwise, I think you are espousing Tea Party-like memes.

      I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

      by doc2 on Sat Jan 29, 2011 at 07:19:59 AM PST

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      •  Wow... (1+ / 0-)
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        that is the first time I have ever been accused of espousing "Tea Party-like memes".  Having a dictator isn't a requirement for revolutionary protests, nor is a requirement in contemplating the possibility and ability of our government to cut off communication in similar manners as has been used abroad.

        Do I imagine that there is anything happening here at home that would cause protests of the like happening in Egypt?  No.  Yet 5 days ago nobody imagined Egypt itself would be in the situation it is now.  

        •  That's just idiotic. (0+ / 0-)

          Egypt has been a dictatorship for 30 years. So to say that we are anything like Egypt is just ridiculous. We are a democracy; a revolution against a democracy is about installing something that is NOT a democracy. For you it would be to install some sort of left-leaning dictatorship. Fuck that, I'll take my democracy, warts and all.

          I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

          by doc2 on Sat Jan 29, 2011 at 07:36:49 AM PST

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          •  Except for stating... (0+ / 0-)

            that some of the same tactics have been utilized in the Egyptian protests have also been used here at home (i.e. rubber bullets, tear gas, beatings), I don't believe I suggested anywhere that we are anything like Egypt.  

            I questioned the ability of our own government to shut down communications given the right set of circumstances, and answered my own musing by stating it could happen here (and not that it would happen).  

            Am I worried about our own loss of civil liberties via actions of our own government?  Absolutely.  

            My pondering seems to have infuriated you and one other, and again, all I can say is "oh well".

            •  So what the technically it (0+ / 0-)

              could happen? Technically, the US government could explode hydrogen bombs over our cities. The US government could kill all of us with bioweapons. So those topics are worthwhile discussing, because they are technically possible?

              I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

              by doc2 on Sat Jan 29, 2011 at 07:48:23 AM PST

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      •  Wow! How short people's memories are... (4+ / 0-)

        You seem to forget that we just finished a regime where the rule of law was ignored, they routinely lied to the public about everything and they violated our civil liberties with reckless abandon.

        How quickly you forget that the one thing that got George W Bush so visibly mad was the exposure of the fact that the US has routine surveillance capabilities in our telecommunications systems that can operate without the requirement of legal review.

        Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of network routing understands that if you can intercept packets, you can drop them on the floor meaning, the US government already has a kill switch on the Internet.  

        There is nothing tea-party about these facts.

        --Mr. President, you have to earn my vote every day. Not take it for granted. --

        by chipoliwog on Sat Jan 29, 2011 at 07:47:06 AM PST

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