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  •  Your analysis of this situation is fascinating... (2+ / 0-)
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    Explain how Palin was the choice made to get Limbaugh's approval, please.  She was a Kristol pick initially and touted by him to the McCain crew.

    Rove is the bagman, but I'm not so sure it's the Koch cabal who is funneling money into his CrossRoads enterprises. He still has clout without the Bush connection, primarily because he knows where the bodies are buried and apparently can be trusted by the money men.

    The Fox Entertainers are just pawns, albeit rich ones, but Limbaugh is in a class of his own. As you say, he is for sale to the highest bidder but he also wants to stay on the winning side and I don't think it's going to be the extreme right Kochs.

    The Murdoch empire is, IMO, apolitical despite Ailes influence. Murdoch wants, more than anything, to control the media and has found that pandering to the most extreme element in any country he wants to invade is the way to win the ratings wars.

    This is a fight for control of the GOP and there are still Republican and Independent voters who think the Bagger Revolution is just too extreme.  

    May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

    by msmacgyver on Sun Jan 30, 2011 at 08:13:00 PM PST

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    •  GOP is nothing w/out talk radio and some of (4+ / 0-)

      them know it.  limbaugh is essentially the leader of the party.

      the talk radio monopoly is the only medium capable of the the nationwide levels of coordinated uncontested repetition they need to dominate messaging.

      limbaugh is the point man for that messaging dominator and his most important currency is his certitude. without limbaugh that convention would have been a disaster. mccain was thinking pawlenty and lieberman, who limbaugh had already rejected. to endorse mccain and save face limbaugh needed an excuse and palin is a talk radio creation with curves. couric should have asked her who she listened to the most instead of what she read. palin got where she is by channelling team limbaugh, like most GOP politicians the last 20 years. she spoke his language.

      palin was chosen for limbaugh (announced minutes before limbaugh's friday show before the GOP convention) so he could finally endorse mccain- which he did minutes after palin was announced. it allowed him to get on board without losing face and allowed a limbaugh-less GOP convention. that would have been the end of the GOP. she is the bride of limbaugh. everything they do rides the talk radio bandwagon.

      (should have been avoided a limbaugh-less convention)

      IMO when rove left the white house he/they lost that central control of talk radio central messaging, which likely goes through a few main RW think tanks, or maybe mostly through the heritage foundation. that's when the dick armey/kochs could take over to some extent. that's when the tea party- previously known as dittoheads and always the GOP talk radio base that screamed into the phones and email on cue from team limbaugh to give the 10% the appearance of 50%- got a little loose and showed themselves- they are now know as teabaggers.

      fox is a symptom of the talk radio monopoly and gets most of the attention, like a decoy. beck's 2 mil daily audience is 5 or 10 x less than limbaugh's- it's the radio that does the heavy lifting repetition that goebles would be proud of.

      while the RW likes making money in media it has in the past subsidized it's media- fox by billions in it's first years. limbaugh's show was given away while they built their monopoly. it is a mistake to think of the right's efforts in media as a business venture except that the returns they're interested in are not measured by how much flooring and flowers the limbaughs and hannitys can sell but by trillions in war profiteering, deregulation, tax breaks, and global warming denial.

      right now he does daily global warming denial. there is no way he's going to back down on that position that GW is an anti-capitalist hoax. to make the GOP relevant again as a contributor real cons are going to have to quit limbaugh and make him go away. i don't know how realistic that is.

      Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

      by certainot on Sun Jan 30, 2011 at 10:14:21 PM PST

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      •  You've really made a thorough study of this... (2+ / 0-)
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        I'm impressed!

        Thanks for the clarification re Palin/Limbaugh. McCain didn't have much of a chance at winning but she tanked the ticket rather than dragging it across the line.

        Limbaugh knows this but when she started building her own brand, he recognized another cynical grifter like himself, and possibly saw a way to continue to use her to reinforce his own credibility.

        Yes, radio has been the sustaining force behind the GOP which almost sunk itself under Bush, but rallied w/Limbaugh's almost grudging support of more extreme elements. Limbaugh, however, is not a Bircher which the Koch Brothers are.  

        Limbaugh is old timey GOP and despite his own over the top commentary, he is basically with the old GOP, IMO.  That means his return to Rove and the moderate Republicans - the only way to get the party back on track. Limbaugh will have to separate himself from the Koch cabal and dump the Baggers which means Palin.  I don't listen to him but know he's been pulling back on support for her.

        NewsCorp/Murdoch/Fox is an entity unto itself and has been the GOP propaganda machine since it launched in 1996. The Bagger Revolution pulled in more viewers because of Fox's support and whatever brings higher ratings works for Murdoch. If the Baggers turned into aliens from another planet, Murdoch would go for it!

        If the Dems were organized and had a better platform for messaging, this would be the time to work the GOP in crises angle.  The Kochs/Birchers (Daddy Koch, Fred, was a founding member of the Birchers) won't be able to keep the Baggers afloat for many reasons, the most important one being Baggers as voters have a short attention span :)    

        May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

        by msmacgyver on Mon Jan 31, 2011 at 05:32:18 AM PST

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        •  I'm very interested to (1+ / 0-)
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          read your (as always good comments) about Limbaugh pulling back from Palin.

          I hope he is. I read the Palinbots site open thread comments almost daily (ICK, glutton for punishment me), and they are constantly exulting in the fact that "Limbaugh is talking about Sarah again"!, "Rush has Sarah's back"! "Rush loves Sarah", etc., etc.

          I look forward to some crestfallen comments in the future from them, with shamefully gleeful anticipation.

          makes me feel all orange alerty - Laurence Lewis 12.7.10.

          by AnnetteK on Mon Jan 31, 2011 at 10:06:47 AM PST

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          •  Thanks :) I couldn't find one of the (1+ / 0-)
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            specific Limbaugh digs which related to an idiotic FB post, but I do think he's weighing her chances, which are slim to none, of getting the nomination against continuing to support her, which would go against mainline GOP agenda.

            Link to DK FP re Palin's supporters:

            http://www.dailykos.com/...

            Limbaugh is 60 years old and has more money than he could ever want or need.  He has power and can still influence the GOP, but it's my sense that even if he's thinking of retiring at the end of his contract or even sooner, he wouldn't want to go out with the Palin stain trailing behind him.

            He could use Palin as a 'hostage' with the GOP, which wouldn't be beyond him, but why?  

            Palin's supporters are dumb and numb but if they do split the party over Palin, it's all good :)  

            May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. George Carlin

            by msmacgyver on Mon Jan 31, 2011 at 12:05:17 PM PST

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            •  there are many examples of limbaugh and (0+ / 0-)

              the RW media creating and hyping in ridiculous directions and then having to walk back or diverting attention or just moving on, and they usually get away with it primarily because the mechanism most useful for media management flies largely under the left's radar.

              the immigration issue, "democrats/acorn are stealing elections", are examples of years of radio action that could easily have been fixed or hashed out rationally in the media but basically took way too much political time and caused way too many casualties on the left merely because the right can manage media so well.

              the palin creation is a lot harder to manage and morph or put back in the box and she is too obvious to just go away.

              Progressives will lose all major messaging battles until they picket the limbaugh/hannity megastations and boycott those stations' local sponsors.

              by certainot on Tue Feb 01, 2011 at 10:04:05 AM PST

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