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  •  did you read your own link? (8+ / 0-)

    linked to your story

    The stadium was part of a larger $120 million bond package passed in May 2009 that included nearly as much money for a state-of-the-art auditorium for performing arts;

    The town approved a bond package of $219 million in November 2008 that called for the building of two new elementary schools, the purchase of 45 school buses and improvements to many of the other elementary and middle schools in the district;

    allen is growing from a backwater to a thriving community.  if the property owners in allen want to raise their own school taxes to fund their schools that's their businesss.

    Thank you, Keith Olbermann

    by LivesInAShoe on Thu Feb 03, 2011 at 07:31:20 AM PST

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    •  Yes, I read it... (9+ / 0-)

      But I have first hand knowledge of the education system in Allen.  They are more than willing to raise money for football, but not willing to pay for better educational services.

      And they also raise hell about raising any other taxes.

      "If Gabby Giffords can open her eyes tonight, maybe we can too." - Rev. Gaddy

      by madame defarge on Thu Feb 03, 2011 at 07:38:15 AM PST

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      •  hey (5+ / 0-)

        i live here.  i currently am working in public schools in the dallas suburbs.

        the educatiobal system in the dallas suburbs is not as you paint it

        Thank you, Keith Olbermann

        by LivesInAShoe on Thu Feb 03, 2011 at 07:39:39 AM PST

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        •  Please explain. (2+ / 0-)
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          Not taking sides, honestly want to know.

          We don't want our country back, we want our country FORWARD. --Eclectablog

          by Samer on Thu Feb 03, 2011 at 08:40:01 AM PST

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          •  well (4+ / 0-)
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            BlackSheep1, wader, khereva, indubitably

            we can start with the textbooks

            i basically don't know any teachers who actually use them.  curriculum in the districts where i work is written by experts who review a variety of educatiobnal materials, choose what is appropriate and then implement it across the districts. textbooks play almost no role at all.  the books sit on the shelf.  the kids are taught via modules designed by curriculum writers and then reenforced with homework/seatwork packets.  the curriculum is standardized across the districts. on any given day in all these districts, every (say) 4th grade class is doing the same thing at the same time.

            my kids went thru the public schools in the dallas suburbs.  i had the opportunity to compare their curriculum to the curriculum my sister's kids got in a very pricy private school in ohio.  i hated to tell her (because she was paying an arm and a leg for those schools while living in a hovel) ...but the curriculum was identical.

            Thank you, Keith Olbermann

            by LivesInAShoe on Thu Feb 03, 2011 at 08:56:21 AM PST

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            •  Richardson? (3+ / 0-)

              Just curious because Dallas suburbs cover a lot of cities and there is a pretty big variety as to quality.  

              •  the northern suburbs are known for their (2+ / 0-)
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                excellent schools. if you have kids, the northern suburbs are the place to be. ie,  richardson, carrollton, plano, lewisville and garland with frisco, flower mound, and allen breathing down their necks.  and prosper is up and coming.

                Thank you, Keith Olbermann

                by LivesInAShoe on Thu Feb 03, 2011 at 09:23:41 AM PST

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              •  FWIW... (3+ / 0-)
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                I'm a product of the Richardson ISD public school system.  I had a lot of great teachers (and, admittedly, some not-so-great ones).  I found the major problem in the school system was utterly clueless administrators--people who were bad teachers, so were promoted to principaldom to get them out of the class room.

            •  That's nice to hear, though curious how that (1+ / 0-)
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              relates to the full picture of spending priorities that began this subthread.

              "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

              by wader on Thu Feb 03, 2011 at 09:14:09 AM PST

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              •  dunno (3+ / 0-)
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                i imagine it has something to do with cutting the state educational budget, which is hapening.

                what the talk of cutting spending on education overlooks is that the districts in texas are isd; independent school districts, supported ny their own local communities.

                Thank you, Keith Olbermann

                by LivesInAShoe on Thu Feb 03, 2011 at 09:25:41 AM PST

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                •  Don't local counties or towns obtain state (0+ / 0-)

                  educational funding, in addition to using local school taxes?

                  "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

                  by wader on Thu Feb 03, 2011 at 10:22:36 AM PST

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                  •  Used to be and the disparity led a (0+ / 0-)

                    school from a San Antonio-area school to sue because schools in areas that had their own oilwells (not kidding, I went to one) could spend so much more revenue per student it wasn't funny.

                    Google "Robin Hood School Finance" for more ...

                    LBJ & Lady Bird, Sully Sullenberger, Molly Ivins, Barbara Jordan, Ann Richards, Drew Brees: Texas is No Bush League! -7.50,-5.59

                    by BlackSheep1 on Thu Feb 03, 2011 at 01:48:29 PM PST

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                    •  Hm, sounds like the state still supplements (1+ / 0-)
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                      local areas for supporting their school fund-raising needs:

                      . . . A series of bills changed the school finance system to cut school M&O property taxes by one-third by 2008, but allowed local school boards to increase tax rates from the new, lower levels, although generally only with voter approval. Some of the local property tax revenue lost by the one-third cut will be replaced by state revenue from a new business tax and higher cigarette taxes. The state Comptroller estimated a $10 billion dollar surplus from the revised tax system.[citation needed]

                      It appears that they're just moving shells around to avoid the appearance of certain politicians being on the hook for higher taxes.

                      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

                      by wader on Thu Feb 03, 2011 at 04:09:27 PM PST

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            •  Cirriculium is decided by the state. (2+ / 0-)
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              Or did you miss all the hooplah when they decided to change the History books?  And those who decided to make those changes weren't experts, in fact historians and experts sent them notices begging them not to change the books themselves.

              I find your comments odd.  My two neighbors are both teachers and we talk about what they are teaching out of the books all the time.  In fact my daughters school actually buys two sets of books, one for school and one for them to keep at home until the end of the school year.  Of course my neighborhood is not your neighborhood but the curriculum doesn't not change drastically state wide.  There will be more courses offered at better funded schools.

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              by Final Frame on Thu Feb 03, 2011 at 09:29:54 AM PST

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              •  don't know where you are living (2+ / 0-)
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                i sub in four districts.  

                they all use specifically designed curriculum and seatwork packets

                the books sit there unused.  

                Thank you, Keith Olbermann

                by LivesInAShoe on Thu Feb 03, 2011 at 09:37:29 AM PST

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              •  Schools do vary from district to district (1+ / 0-)
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                because control of the school districts is not held by the state--save for in a custodial role. The authority for what happens in a district is held by the local school board. This was one of the changes George W Bush enacted when he was governor. That's why the Texas Education Agency is small, it was farmed out to the school boards. Now ironically enough, across the state for one teacher we have one administrator. Although TEA was downsized dramatically, admin jobs were created on the district level. Sort of a money shuffle, no savings in tangible terms, but it looked on good paper to downsize TEA.

                Every district is given the basic state curriculum guides, then the district is to create a plan to meet the guides and regulations. Most of the plans are developed around meeting those No Child Left Behind testing regs. Sad but true.

            •  So if nobody is using these textbooks, (0+ / 0-)

              who is paying for these unused textbooks?  The state, or is the state forcing local school districts to purchase them, even though they aren't being used?  
              Sounds wasteful to me.  

              Culbert Olson is my hero!

              by chemborg on Thu Feb 03, 2011 at 11:11:18 AM PST

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            •  LivesInAShoe, is that the "new" model (0+ / 0-)

              that Lubbock is supposed to adopt this year?

              LBJ & Lady Bird, Sully Sullenberger, Molly Ivins, Barbara Jordan, Ann Richards, Drew Brees: Texas is No Bush League! -7.50,-5.59

              by BlackSheep1 on Thu Feb 03, 2011 at 01:44:16 PM PST

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      •  The country is starting to rethink football. (2+ / 0-)
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        It may take about 20 yrs.
        Maybe longer in Texas.

    •  Bet ch' they don't have decent math or chemistry (1+ / 0-)
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      labs for Allen schools.

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