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    TofG

    Joe Lieberman killed the public option. It was the price for his vote. The public option was in all 4 of the bills passed out of the House, and 58 of 60 in the Democratic caucus were OK with it - I'm not certain where Ben Nelson would have fallen had it come down to a vote. But it never did, because of Lieberman.

    And Joe Lieberman is not a Democrat.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 03:24:36 PM PST

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    •  Lieberman was a convienent villain (2+ / 0-)
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      Losty, sneakers563

      The Dems were only too happy to let him be the bad guy and kill the public option. Reference the fact that they never tried to pressure him on the issue at all.

      You need to read Glenn Greenwald's post on the Democrats' villain rotation. There are always just enough Democrats who break from the party line to kill progressive priorities--and the party leadership never does anything about it. You're being played, and you don't even realize it.

      •  Conspiracy theory without a shred of evidence (2+ / 0-)
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        BleacherBum153, GlowNZ

        It would have been much easier to, you know, NOT put it in every bill that came out of the House.

        In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

        by blue aardvark on Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 04:11:10 PM PST

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        •  No it wouldn't have (0+ / 0-)

          The Dems need to keep progressives thinking that they're on their side. That's why most of the Democratic caucus votes for every progressive priority that comes up. But somehow, magically, there are always just enough Democrats who go off the reservation on every key vote that these priorities never pass. And the party leadership never does anything about it.

          It's not a conspiracy theory to point out the blindingly obvious--the Democrats have no interest in passing progressive legislation. If they did, they would pressure their caucus to support that legislation. But they don't. And that tells us everything we need to know.

          •  Conspiracy theory without a shred of evidence (0+ / 0-)

            You are telling me that Joe Lieberman was NOT a piece of work in, say, 2004. Evidence suggests otherwise.

            In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

            by blue aardvark on Thu Feb 03, 2011 at 06:27:17 AM PST

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