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  •  In the poll, I voted for Bill Clinton (4.00)
    Not so much because he's the one I'd most like to share a beer with, but just in case some cute women show up later.
    •  I went for Thomas Jefferson... (4.00) we can clear up this church-state separation business once and for all.
      •  TJ's Statute for Religious Freedom (4.00)
        has the greatest "firewall" against future legislative changes... Though we can imagine a certain current nutjob gang trying to repeal it nonetheless...

        ...and though we well know this Assembly, elected by the people for the ordinary purposes of legislation only, have no powers equal to our own and that therefore to declare this act irrevocable would be of no effect in law, yet we are free to declare, and do declare, that the rights hereby asserted are of the natural rights of mankind, and that if any act shall be hereafter passed to repeal the present or to narrow its operation, such act will be an infringement of natural right.  

      •  Teddy Roosevelt (4.00)
        Just because a true Progressive Republican would be such a refreshing change and would fire me up for the battle against the current bunch of corrupt Repub swine.

        In fact, wouldn't it be great if you could bring TR back from the dead to do battle with Miserable Failure?

        In the bar you'd just have watch that Teddy didn't slosh beer all over you with those expansive gestures of his.

        "A working class person who votes Republican is like a chicken who votes for Colonel Sanders."
        --T. M., working class Democrat

        by bramish on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 08:25:21 AM PST

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        •  Theodore is the man (4.00)
          He made a speech after being shot.  (pretend you didn't read that if you haven't taken the quiz yet)

          I can't imagine that he and Lincoln had R's beside their names.  It is disgusting how much things have changed.

          I would rather be with the people of this blog, than with the finest people in the world!

          by Blue Neponset on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 08:55:12 AM PST

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          •  Strom Thurmond Used to Be a D (4.00)
            Forget the party labels and just look at whether a politician was progressive or a racist slime.

            My wingnut brother e-mailed me from his home on Pluto last week with a National Review article by some African-American hack. It tried to shock people who are utterly ignorant of history by pointing out that -- are you sitting down? -- Abe Lincoln and the Repubs were the party of civil rights in 1860.

            Then he made the leap -- perfectly logical if you're a wingnut -- to say that therefore black people should support today's sick 'n sorry crew of Republicans. He neglected to point out that in wingnut math 2 + 2 = 5.

            "A working class person who votes Republican is like a chicken who votes for Colonel Sanders."
            --T. M., working class Democrat

            by bramish on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 09:18:25 AM PST

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          •  I went for Teddy, too (4.00)
            I had to do a book report on his biography in 5th grade.

            He had more guts than any president before or since.

            He could've placated the power brokers that helped him and McKinley get into office, but he didn't.

            He created national parks.

            And he at least attempted to help Native Americans.

            And he stood up for Progressives when he realized that the underlying Republican agenda was nothing more than keeping the wealthy elite both wealthy and elite.

      •  You had some excellent choices. (4.00)
        I wish you had put GW there just so he would not get any votes here. That was such a stupid poll last year with Kerry pitted against GW and the media continually pointing out GW would be more fun. Yeah, well, I want my President to be intelligent. I already have fun friends to have a beer with and I would not want any them to be the leader of the free world.

        But after Clinton, I think that Adams and Washington and Jefferson would be really great. And I would invite the first radicals Sam Adams and John Handcock along for a few brews also. And my other heros such as Madison and Hamilton. Clinton has to be there with the wenches serving the beer to loosen the guys up and I get to ask a ton of questions. Like as you mentioned, the separation of church and state, the 3 branches of check and balance that are overlapping right now,  and what gave you guys the courage and foresight to stand up and be leaders. And a compliment also.

        "You guys were goooooooooood!"  

        Fix the Problems, Don't create new ones

        by BarnBabe on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 09:23:20 AM PST

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      •  Jefferson (4.00)
        I went with him because I heard he was a playa and also heard he had a little thing for black women.

        Smoke the holy chalice, got my own religion...

        by fabooj on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 09:23:37 AM PST

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      •  Almost John Adams (4.00)
        because I'd like to know why he didn't pay more attention to Abigail's "remember the ladies, John."

        But my vote went to Mr. Tom Jefferson because, in addition to all the great inventions and innovative nation-building (what did they call it in the 18th century?), he created that most beautiful of houses, Monticello.

        And, yes, I know he had help and that most of it was not from volunteers. But it is an exquisite home and -- contrary to what I thought it would be before I first visited -- very much to human scale. Not at all the off-putting and imperial pile of stone so many of such places are.

        There's a nice-ninny priest/at tea in everyone,/all cozy and chatty as auntie,/but a saint comes/and throws rocks through the window. -- John Ciardi

        by Mnemosyne on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 09:34:10 AM PST

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      •  No contest for me (4.00)
        Jefferson, just for the chance to pick his brain.  
        •  My thinking, too (4.00)
          In 1962 JFK was addressing an assemblage of 49 Nobel Prize laureates and remarked:

          "I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of
          human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

          That's about the size of it.

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          by Malacandra on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 11:33:42 AM PST

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    •  With Big Dog around, (4.00)
      the best you can hope for is run-off.  And I'm guessing that Big Dog doesn't leave too many behind...
    •  But Eddie, (4.00)
      if they do show up, I fear Clinton may outdo all C&J readers. Especially with the big-banged women...

      I did choose Clinton, because I think he'd be even more elucidating and rip-roaring hilarious than TJ (my political hero, in spite of his faults). Of course, I'd love to hear the Prez / Special Envoy go "Soooiiiieeeeeee" a few times too.

    •  Harry Truman (4.00)
      just because he was a little more common than most.

      Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. -- Groucho Marx

      by Coldblue Steele on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 08:14:58 AM PST

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      •  George Washington's my Man (4.00)
        His judgment and character set the tone, and  model, for all that followed.

        "First in war, first in peace, and first in the hearts of his countrymen."

        Anyone visit Mount Vernon? I cried like the sap that I am, I was so moved.

        ...Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things....

        by PhillyGal on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 08:29:29 AM PST

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      •  I'm with you (4.00)
        Truman could dress down any that stood in his way and always made sure to defend the things most important things in his life. Though a sharp tounge and the disregard for political correctness would have made him the perfect drinking buddy, quotes like these:

        "He's one of the few in the history of this country to run for high office talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time and lying out of both sides."

        "If I hadn't been President of the United States, I probably would have ended up a piano player in a bawdy house."

        "I've said many a time that I think the Un-American Activities Committee in the House of Representatives was the most un-American thing in America!"

        "I don't give a damn about "The Missouri Waltz" but I can't say it out loud because it's the song of Missouri. It's as bad as "The Star-Spangled Banner" so far as music is concerned."

        "I have read your lousy review of Margaret's concert. I've come to the conclusion that you are an eight ulcer man on a four ulcer job Some day I hope to meet you. When that happens you'll need a new nose, a lot of beefsteak for black eyes and perhaps a supporter below."

        and one of the best...

        "I remember when I first came to Washington. For the first six months you wonder how the hell you ever got here. For the next six months you wonder how the hell the rest of them ever got here."

        Following closely behind were JFK and Bill Clinton, both were smart but niether had the "lack of an interior monologue" that made Truman such a rarity a straight talking politicial

        "Religion's in the hands of some crazy ass people..." Jimmy Buffett

        by Show Me Dem on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 01:12:56 PM PST

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    •  I chose CLinton -- silly reasons, really... (4.00)
      1. Clinton is closest to the events of my life, we speak the same language and he's the smartest motherfucker on the list. Jefferson was brilliant -- Clinton is SMART. Plus, I want the chance to grab him by the ear and yank his head to the bar while I berate him for ruining a potentially cataclysmic legacy in the pursuit of having it both ways in every situation -- starting with the moronic attempt to obfuscate his way out of admitting he smoked pot, to the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" travesty, to the ruinous Welfare Reform Act, to the aborted Healthcare initiative... to taking what was essentially a second chance and simply ADMITTING to the blowjob and saying, "Yeah -- not such a good idea, in retrospect. But on the other hand -- what the fuck business is it of YOURS?"
      2. Though I admire Jefferson more and have much more curiosity about Kennedy and intellectual amity with FDR, if I'm going to be breaking 8 years of sobriety for a beer, it had better be with someone who I at least know has a 50/50 chance of being decent in bed, because once I start drinking you can kiss my fidelity goodbye.

      Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

      by Maryscott OConnor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 08:25:47 AM PST

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    •  FDR! (4.00)
      I'd at least want to get some quotes from him on how the pirate-ization of Social Security was not part of the New Deal.  Not that it would stop the wingnuts from pretending, but still...

      "In the evening of life we shall be judged on love." -Oscar Romero

      by sparrowsong on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 08:32:52 AM PST

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      •  FDR, man of our times, for many reasons: (4.00)

        1. He almost made it into Pop Quiz question 2, when on  Feb. 15, 1933 Roosevelt was shot at, but not hit, under circumstances that, like JFK, stank of cover-up in the FBI with the "lone assassin" soon dead and questions never to be answered.
        2. He then survived the `The Morgan-British Fascist Coup'  , giving him time to solidify his presidential powers under the Constitution and check the power of the ruling financial oligarchy, creating institutions like the Securities and Exchange Commission. (A  history of saving the state from fascism could be mighty handy right now.)
        3. For the New Deal, the social safety net designed to protect against the self-interest based abuses of the capitalistic system, who's elite feature so prominently in the 2 reasons given above.
        4. And what could be better that this: That in the wake of Pearl Harbour, FDR's administration enforced the `Trading with the Enemy Act' to have  Prescott Bush's (George W's grandfather) business interests seized for war profiteering.

        The opposite of war is not peace, it's creation --Jonathan Larson

        by MaggieEh on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 01:20:48 PM PST

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    •  Honest Abe Lincoln (4.00)
      b/c when was the last time a pol got the nickname 'honest'?  also b/c i've read & heard that he had a killer sense of humor.  and he took a stand against slavery.  i also like the story about when he was told grant was a drunk, & he said, "find out what he drinks, & give it to the rest of the generals"

      "Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally"

      "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character give him power."

      "Sir my concern is not whether God is on our side. My great concern is to be on God's side."

      "The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just."

      "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

      "I am not bound to win but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed but I am bound to live up to what light I have."

      You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it. Malcolm X

      by x on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 09:24:03 AM PST

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      •  Abe got my vote too (4.00)
        Born dirt-poor in a log cabin in Kentucky in 1809, Lincoln grew up in frontier Kentucky and Indiana, where he was largely self-educated, with a taste for jokes, hard work, and books.
        Honest Abe

        If I were to sit and have a beer with Abe, after cracking some jokes and talking about his favorite books, I'd ask him to present a speech to the Nation on how the Republican Party he helped to define had been highjacked by insane authoritarian greedy people with fascist tendencies. I'd ask him to set the story straight, to help this nation unite again, to be able to proceed into this next century with dignity and sanity.

        Dubya, yer momma may think yer cute, but I sure don't

        by cosmic debris on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 09:43:05 AM PST

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    •  5 Corpses & a Guy Weaned on a Pickle (4.00)
      I'd go drinkin with Tyler, Polk, Pierce, Buchanan, Garfield, and Coolidge, because by the time they all qualified as presidents (the early 1920s) they were all dead except Coolidge.

      And Coolidge didn't drink. Prolly too busy sucking on that pickle like Alice Longworth Roosevelt said

      More beer for me!

      Resist much, obey little. ~~Edward Abbey, via Walt Whitman

      by willyr on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 09:38:37 AM PST

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    •  Would have preferred (4.00)
      any of the wives over the guys. Especially Abigail.

      "I still think politics is about who's getting screwed and who's doing the screwing." -Molly Ivins

      by hono lulu on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 11:49:09 AM PST

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