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  •  In the 60's I was teaching high school (9+ / 0-)

    A student who could only lip read was put in one of my classes of 35+ students.  It was an absolute nightmare for me and the other students.  Part of teaching a class that large, and keeping control of it, is making frequent eye contact with each and every student, turning to the board, moving around the room, etc.  The deaf student then lost what I was saying.  He became very unpleasant towards me and the other students because he felt that I should stand in front of him and teach only him.  He had no empathy for the other students, many of whom had their own, less obvious psychological and physical issues.  We came close to a revolt in the class, even though I tried to explain to the other students how hard it had to be for him. But it was hard for them as well.   Bottom line is that the other students in the class were not receiving the attention they deserved and needed. I believe the school district came up with another accommodation for him because I don't think this situation continued all year.  I simply cannot recall.

    I would hope that technology would/does provide better options for handling a situation like this, which was a no win for everyone involved.

    •  One would hope you could have found a location (3+ / 0-)

      in the room that would have suited him well.

      Sigh.

      Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
      I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
      -Spike Milligan

      by polecat on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 08:02:08 AM PST

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      •  Can't you trust... (1+ / 0-)
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        DollyMadison

        ...the commenter that they made every effort?  I feel your reaction is just as cold-hearted, and basically unthinking, as any discrimination might be.

        •  WTF? Where did I take the poster to task? (1+ / 0-)
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          slinkerwink

          There is a very big difference between:

          "Put him at the front of the room, *sshole."

          and what I posted.

          Sheesh.  Accusing me of discrimination is just plain stupid.

          Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
          I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
          -Spike Milligan

          by polecat on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 08:50:08 AM PST

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          •  Your comment was not aggressive... (1+ / 0-)
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            DollyMadison

            ... but it seemed unsympathetic and judgemental. Maybe I shouldn't have jumped into the middle of this, but I felt bad for the teacher.

            •  using the poster's own language: (0+ / 0-)

              I would hope that technology would/does provide better options

              I articulated sadness that a suitable location for the student in question was not available.

              Sigh.

              Is English your first language?

              I feel bad for the teacher, too.  And Rec'd the response accordingly.

              You threw down the gauntlet:

              I feel your reaction is just as cold-hearted, and basically unthinking, as any discrimination might be.

              The rules prevent me from HRing you for that.  But you certainly would deserve a 1 or 2 (in DK2 parlance) for such a crappy comment.

              Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
              I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
              -Spike Milligan

              by polecat on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 12:39:46 PM PST

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              •  OK (2+ / 0-)
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                polecat, Heart of the Rockies

                From having seen Heart of the Rockies own response to you, I guess I understand now that you were sharing frustration that there was no logistical solution to the problem.

                I was coming from having read another thread where somebody was honest about their difficulties in accomodating the special needs of a deaf person, and seeing that person get jumped on.

                So I misinterpreted you.  I did think you were taking Heart of the Rockies to task for not trying hard enough.

                I apologize.

                •  No problem. Nuance doesn't make it here. (1+ / 0-)
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                  Wanna see a REAL flame war?  Go to the religion one on the wreck list.

                  Not quite as ugly as an I/P diary, but it is up there.

                  Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
                  I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
                  -Spike Milligan

                  by polecat on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 08:08:10 PM PST

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      •  Believe me, (2+ / 0-)
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        polecat, DollyMadison

        I tried everything.  This young man was unyielding.  Whether his underlying personality or side effects of his disability, I don't know.  BTW, I taught 165 students a day and had less than one hour in that day to track down or solve any of their problems. Needless to say, preparation (3 different preps) plus grading took place at home.  I lasted 5 years in this kind of difficult work environment, went back to school for an MA and PhD in another field and ended up teaching at the upper division/ graduate level of a university.

    •  It's interesting to hear from you on this. (3+ / 0-)

      My teachers always faced the classroom and didn't move around at all much, and when they went to write on the blackboard, they didn't speak while writing on it. When they were done, they'd face the classroom, and explain what was on the blackboard. Upon my request, they always wrote homework assignments on the blackboard.

      I don't blame the deaf student for feeling upset in that situation.

      I work with B2B PAC, and all views and opinions in this account are my own.

      by slinkerwink on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 08:59:05 AM PST

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      •  I had no training or support (2+ / 0-)
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        for teaching students with disabilities of any sort.  I usually had students in each of my 5 classes with an array of disabilities, and the approach for one wasn't always the best for the other, let alone what would be appropriate to teach children without disabilities or highly gifted and creative students.

        I also quickly found the kind of static teaching approach you describe was not successful, whether at the high school or university level, where I eventually wound up teaching.

        As I said before, when you get 35 students in a public school classroom, you are dealing with all kinds of diversity, learning styles, disabilities, abilities, home situations, etc.  I was responsible for teaching each and every student who passed through my classroom to the very best of my ability.  I had a student load of 165 students.

        The student I mentioned, and over the years I had others like him, was focused on himself, had no empathy for other students nor  was he willing to consider anyone's needs but his own.  This may or may not have had anything to do with his disability.  It may have been who he was.

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