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  •  Do civil unions get you benefits? (2+ / 0-)
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    Matt Z, CajunBoyLgb

    We know that even for couples in states that recognize same sex marriage, they still don't get the federal benefits available to heterosexual couples. They may get certain state benefits such as deductions on their state tax return or the ability to file jointly.

    Employer-provided health insurance is an example of the unfairness. While a company may provide coverage for that same sex spouse, the couple must declare the value of the coverage on their federal tax return. Not so for the heterosexual couple.

    DOMA has to be repealed or found unconstitutional for same sex marriage to truly be equal but even if it is, I doubt they'd ever say civil unions are equivalent to marriage.

    I'm concerned that if civil unions become the rule, people are going to say "well, we solved that" and there will never be equality.

    •  In Vermont, theoretically (2+ / 0-)
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      Matt Z, bythesea

      civil unions provided all the same benefits as marriage.  Full marriage equality doesn't change a lot about the legal benefits conferred, but they provide legal standing for when DOMA is repealed.

      •  But in Practice... (0+ / 0-)

        I'm sorry, but civil unions are NOT treated equally under the law in practice.

        For that matter, thanks to DOMA those of us who ARE legally married still suffer grossly unequal treatment in basically every aspect of our lives.

        My husband and I have set up a living trust for ourselves since we can't rely on being treated with respect and dignity as a same-sex couple outside of California and a few other states. It's humiliating that we have to beg and plead for even miserable hints of some kind of fair treatment of our relationship, while a drunk opposite-sex couple can stumble into the Little White Chapel in Vegas and get hitched and take on those 1,138+ rights and responsibilities enumerated in Federal marriage laws.

        It's bullshit. Pure and simple. And I want my marriage to be treated equally under the law. RIGHT. FUCKING. NOW.

        FULL EQUALITY FOR LGBTQ CITIZENS. NOW. And BOYCOTT CHICK-FIL-A and ITS ASSHAT, FUNDAMENTALIST, ANTI-GAY, ANTI-WOMAN FOUNDERS!!

        by CajunBoyLgb on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 12:59:45 PM PST

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        •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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          bythesea

          in practice, they are not the same.

          I also am aware that whether or not I want the federal government to recognize my marriage, it's not quite there yet.  We're getting there.  We've made significant progress towards same sex marriage on the federal level but we are not yet at the point where we can make it happen.  

          We'll get there, but there's a lot of work yet to be done.

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