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  •  Do you want to run ads (2+ / 0-)
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    or do you want to pay Big Ass Voices when most people in the industry don'rt belong to AFTRA anyway except in the major markets?
    No. I'm not kidding.
    Bang for the buck.
    I'm not union and I would have voiced them for free.
    And I've been in radio since two weeks before my 18th birthdauy, and I've NEVER worked in a union shop.

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    by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 10:37:12 AM PST

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    •  Fuck you;. (0+ / 0-)

      This is the very reason people in this country are getting screwed out of pensions and losing power to stand up against corporatism. Undermining unions on a site like this is, quite frankly, shocking.

      They should have offered this to union voice talent first.

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      by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 10:40:56 AM PST

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    •  By the way, you are ignorant about AFTR and union (0+ / 0-)

      ... talent.

      Where do you get this "Big Ass Voices" bullshit from?

      Clueless asshat. You don;t know the first thing about unions, particularly union voiceover talent.

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      by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 10:44:45 AM PST

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      •  The hell I don't. (2+ / 0-)
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        I've been in radio all my fucking LIFE.
        I'm sitting in a control room right now.
        What about you, rocket scientist?

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        by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 10:47:16 AM PST

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        •  I've been a member of AFTRA for 22 years. (0+ / 0-)

          So go fuck yourself.

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          by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 10:48:26 AM PST

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          •  Uh-huh (1+ / 0-)
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            Fuck you right back, dickhead.
            You belong to a union that benefits maybe 3 percent of the people in this fucking industry
            While the rest of us fight for remote fees and have to be on fuel assistance and Medicaid.
            Who's the corporatist elitist now, asshole?

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            by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 10:52:00 AM PST

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            •  You fucking moron. (0+ / 0-)

              You sound like a fucking Republican. Unions are bad, eh?  

              I can;t believe I have to read vile, anti-union bullshit like you've spewed in this thread on this site.

              Unfuckingbelievable...

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              by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 10:54:04 AM PST

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              •  Unions are goodq (1+ / 0-)
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                if they benefit the average person.
                This one doesn't.
                Are you listening to what the fuck I'm saying?
                This shop couln't pay AFTRA scale if it WANTED to.
                MOST couldn't.
                Other readers, please take note: Bob Johnson is deliberately confusong a "union" that benefits the richest and highest paid people in radio ONLY with something like SEIU or UAW that benefits the average worker.
                You suck, dude.
                I'm suporting  a family of four on less money per year than an AFTERA member makes int hree months.

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                by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 10:57:00 AM PST

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                •  Bullshit. (0+ / 0-)

                  I personally know hundreds (if not thousands) of people who have health care and a retirement plan because of AFTRA.

                  The fact that you make shit isn't AFTRA's fault.

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                  by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:00:36 AM PST

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                •  I'm with the bird guy (2+ / 0-)
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                  21 years in broadcasting and I've never joined AFTRA, nor had any reason to.

                  Unions are great when they benefit the working guy, but AFTRA is there for the Ryan Seacrests and...yeah...the Glenn Becks of the world. It doesn't do diddly for the average guy or gal slugging along in the trenches in small- or medium-market radio (or even behind the scenes in a lot of large-market radio jobs.)

                  You don't get to say, "I support the First Amendment, but..." (h/t Chris Hayes)

                  by ipsos on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:02:18 AM PST

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                  •  Well put (2+ / 0-)
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                    AFTRA is exactly thta: there for the Glenn Becks, Rush Limbaughs, and Ryan Seacrests of the world.
                    The nomenklatura.  
                    The privileged elite.
                    Exactly what unions AREN'T supposed to be about.

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                    by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:04:29 AM PST

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                    •  Just goes to show your ignorance (again). (0+ / 0-)

                      Thousands and thousands of people get health care and pension benefits through AFTRA.

                      Your "only-the-fatcats-benefit" spiel is reminiscent of typical Republican union bashing.

                      As I noted elsewhere, you don't know what you;re takling about.

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                      by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:21:43 AM PST

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                  •  That is total rightwing bullshit. (0+ / 0-)

                    I know hundreds, if not thousands, of people who have health care and a pension thanks to AFTRA.

                    The anti-union rhetoric from you and the other clueless asshat on this thread is just that: ignorant.

                    You sound like a couple of Republicans ranting about teachers' unions.

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                    by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:19:55 AM PST

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                    •  And they're al in raddio (1+ / 0-)
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                      in small markets, right?
                      I have only ever met one member of AFTRA in my entire life, and when I met him, he wasn't in a union shop.

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                      by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:22:59 AM PST

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                    •  "Right wing bullshit." (1+ / 0-)
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                      Go on AllAccess into NetTalk and take a straw poll. See how many people working as air talent NOW are members of AFTRA.
                      If you don't get laughed off the site.

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                      by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:23:59 AM PST

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                      •  What does that have to do with you bashing AFTRA? (0+ / 0-)

                        How is AFTA supplying health care and pensions to woroking stiffs harming you, personally?

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                        by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:26:57 AM PST

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                        •  Did I say it was? (1+ / 0-)
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                          What I said was, AFTRA benefits only those who amount to the privileged elite in this industry.
                          And I stand by it.

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                          by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:28:28 AM PST

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                          •  "Privileged elite?" (0+ / 0-)

                            You consider people making a working wage and having health care and a pension "working elite?"

                            And you, somehow, resent them for having those benefits and being members of a union that fought and bargained for those benefits?

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                            by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:31:07 AM PST

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                          •  The only people (1+ / 0-)
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                            in radio's rank and file that are AFTRA members, and get those benefits, are in Top Ten markets.

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                            by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:32:24 AM PST

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                          •  What's your point? (0+ / 0-)

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                            by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:33:10 AM PST

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                          •  Well, since you don't DENY that (0+ / 0-)

                            I guesss you GET the point.
                            Sorry to interrupt your filet mignon and two martini lunch with my struggle to survive.

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                            by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:51:00 AM PST

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                          •  No, I don't get the point. (0+ / 0-)

                            You've spent the whole thread bashing AFTRA and claiming that AFTRA members are "rich boys" and "privileged elites" and you're wrong. Completely. Totally.

                            You're ignorant of what really goes on. You're a clueless, resentful know-nothing.

                            And yet you persist with your cluelessness with your inane "filet mignon" comment.

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                            by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:57:50 AM PST

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                          •  They are (0+ / 0-)

                            in radio. I can't speak to the film industry,but in radio,that's the case.

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                            by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 12:32:18 PM PST

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                          •  Do you personally know any AFTRA members? (0+ / 0-)

                            Even one?

                            Most of them are scratching to get by, but, fortunately, they have health care and a retirement plan thanks to their union membership.

                            Why do you resent them?

                            Your perception of AFTRA's rank-and-file membership is delusional and suggests that you don;t know anyone in the union or anything about the union.

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                            by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 12:51:24 PM PST

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                          •  I've only ever known one (0+ / 0-)

                            was one of the KFRC boss jock crew of the late 70s
                            When I knew him, he was working at a non-union shop fornon-union money,in between gigs.

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                            by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 01:40:29 PM PST

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                          •  You're suffering from serious misconceptions... (0+ / 0-)

                            ... about who makes up the rank-and-file of AFTRA.

                            I don't know where you get all of the "elite" crap.

                            Most AFTRA members are working stiffs. The union affords them access to health insurance. And they can accrue pension benefits thanks to the contract. But very, very few are wealthy.

                            And the ones who are negotiate deals well in excess of the standard union contract.

                            Even the busiest of AFTRA voiceovers I know are working at scale these days.

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                            by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 01:47:41 PM PST

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                          •  So your implication is that AFTRA memebers in Top (0+ / 0-)

                            ... Ten markets are all "rich boys" and "priveleged elites?" Is that it?

                            Do you really believe that AFTRA members are living like kings?

                            WTF...

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                            by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:35:06 AM PST

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                          •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)

                            but this scab is out of time for you.
                            I'm hungry.
                            I think I might be able to afford an egg in my Top Ramen today.
                            and you are fooling no one.

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                            by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:54:18 AM PST

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                          •  What the fuck are you talking about? (0+ / 0-)

                            You are an ignorant fool.

                            AFTRA is made up of thousands of working people just like you. They have health care and a pension plan, thanks to the union.

                            I don't understand what AFTRA has done to you to make you so resentful of working people.

                            You are suffering under some delusion that every AFTRA member is some rich person.

                            Where does that come from?

                            The only think I can figure out is that you are ignorant. You don't know anything about AFTRA's membership.

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                            by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 12:00:47 PM PST

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                          •  And you don't know anything (0+ / 0-)

                            or give a fuck,about the rest of us.

                            The next thing you will need is cold hard cash. There is a one time initiation fee of $1,300 to join AFTRA, after that you will only be responsible for your yearly dues.
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                            You can work AFTRA without paying the initiation fee, but after 30 days you will become a "must join" and AFTRA will take all of your future checks until the total fee is paid off.

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                            by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 12:31:12 PM PST

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                          •  What does this have to do with anything? (1+ / 0-)
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                            So what? There's an initiation fee. Always has been. I don't see how that is relevant to your argument. And just like all unions, there are dues.

                            How does that mean that I "don't know anything or give a fuck about the rest of us?"

                            So you're saying that people who pay the initiation fee are "rich boys" and some kind of "elites?"

                            You can Taft-Hartley in and not pay the fee at once.

                            Why are you so resentful of other working people who happen to be union members? How are those people or their union harming you? Those people are members of a union that fought for and won health care benefits and a pension plan.

                            Your anti-union rantings here are bizarre, frankly.

                            A vast majority of AFTRA members are working people earning a living wage for their work. I don;t know where you come up with all of your uninformed garbage about "rich boys," "elites" and "filet mignon."

                            Not many voiceover talents are getting rich, union or not. But at least union members are getting health care and a retirement plan.

                            Apparently, that's more than you can bear.

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                            by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 12:48:56 PM PST

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                          •  as a member of the NJEA (0+ / 0-)

                            thank you for taking a stand for the unions. we have nonunion private school teachers and directors who bash our union too, and complain about the fees, and how it would be ok if only the NEA stayed out of politics ( WTF???)Yeah the fact that private school staff have no pensions, no healthcare, no tenure( fair dismissal process, so save it ) is directly related to no fucking union. Kestrel sounds embittered. Perhaps if he/she is unsatisfied with the current union, he could opt for another, don't know...

                          •  It really frosts my ass that I have to defend a (1+ / 0-)
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                            ... union on Daily Kos from this uninformed, ignorant garbage.

                            I asked this poster over and over how AFTRA or union workers had harmed him and he had...

                            Nothing.

                            Just reactionary, rightwing union bashing. On a Democratic site, no less.

                            It makes me fucking sick.

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                            by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 06:29:25 PM PST

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                          •  If anything, this idiot should be fighting FOR (1+ / 0-)
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                            ... union rights, instead of trying to drag everyone else down with him because of abusive management.

                            Then maybe he'd have a pot to piss in.

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                            by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 06:30:34 PM PST

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