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  •  Did I say it was? (1+ / 0-)
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    What I said was, AFTRA benefits only those who amount to the privileged elite in this industry.
    And I stand by it.

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    by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:28:28 AM PST

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    •  "Privileged elite?" (0+ / 0-)

      You consider people making a working wage and having health care and a pension "working elite?"

      And you, somehow, resent them for having those benefits and being members of a union that fought and bargained for those benefits?

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      by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:31:07 AM PST

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      •  The only people (1+ / 0-)
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        in radio's rank and file that are AFTRA members, and get those benefits, are in Top Ten markets.

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        by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:32:24 AM PST

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        •  What's your point? (0+ / 0-)

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          by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:33:10 AM PST

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          •  Well, since you don't DENY that (0+ / 0-)

            I guesss you GET the point.
            Sorry to interrupt your filet mignon and two martini lunch with my struggle to survive.

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            by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:51:00 AM PST

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            •  No, I don't get the point. (0+ / 0-)

              You've spent the whole thread bashing AFTRA and claiming that AFTRA members are "rich boys" and "privileged elites" and you're wrong. Completely. Totally.

              You're ignorant of what really goes on. You're a clueless, resentful know-nothing.

              And yet you persist with your cluelessness with your inane "filet mignon" comment.

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              by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:57:50 AM PST

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              •  They are (0+ / 0-)

                in radio. I can't speak to the film industry,but in radio,that's the case.

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                by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 12:32:18 PM PST

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                •  Do you personally know any AFTRA members? (0+ / 0-)

                  Even one?

                  Most of them are scratching to get by, but, fortunately, they have health care and a retirement plan thanks to their union membership.

                  Why do you resent them?

                  Your perception of AFTRA's rank-and-file membership is delusional and suggests that you don;t know anyone in the union or anything about the union.

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                  by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 12:51:24 PM PST

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                  •  I've only ever known one (0+ / 0-)

                    was one of the KFRC boss jock crew of the late 70s
                    When I knew him, he was working at a non-union shop fornon-union money,in between gigs.

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                    by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 01:40:29 PM PST

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                    •  You're suffering from serious misconceptions... (0+ / 0-)

                      ... about who makes up the rank-and-file of AFTRA.

                      I don't know where you get all of the "elite" crap.

                      Most AFTRA members are working stiffs. The union affords them access to health insurance. And they can accrue pension benefits thanks to the contract. But very, very few are wealthy.

                      And the ones who are negotiate deals well in excess of the standard union contract.

                      Even the busiest of AFTRA voiceovers I know are working at scale these days.

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                      by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 01:47:41 PM PST

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        •  So your implication is that AFTRA memebers in Top (0+ / 0-)

          ... Ten markets are all "rich boys" and "priveleged elites?" Is that it?

          Do you really believe that AFTRA members are living like kings?

          WTF...

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          by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:35:06 AM PST

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          •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)

            but this scab is out of time for you.
            I'm hungry.
            I think I might be able to afford an egg in my Top Ramen today.
            and you are fooling no one.

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            by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 11:54:18 AM PST

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            •  What the fuck are you talking about? (0+ / 0-)

              You are an ignorant fool.

              AFTRA is made up of thousands of working people just like you. They have health care and a pension plan, thanks to the union.

              I don't understand what AFTRA has done to you to make you so resentful of working people.

              You are suffering under some delusion that every AFTRA member is some rich person.

              Where does that come from?

              The only think I can figure out is that you are ignorant. You don't know anything about AFTRA's membership.

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              by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 12:00:47 PM PST

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              •  And you don't know anything (0+ / 0-)

                or give a fuck,about the rest of us.

                The next thing you will need is cold hard cash. There is a one time initiation fee of $1,300 to join AFTRA, after that you will only be responsible for your yearly dues.
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                You can work AFTRA without paying the initiation fee, but after 30 days you will become a "must join" and AFTRA will take all of your future checks until the total fee is paid off.

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                by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 12:31:12 PM PST

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                •  What does this have to do with anything? (1+ / 0-)
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                  So what? There's an initiation fee. Always has been. I don't see how that is relevant to your argument. And just like all unions, there are dues.

                  How does that mean that I "don't know anything or give a fuck about the rest of us?"

                  So you're saying that people who pay the initiation fee are "rich boys" and some kind of "elites?"

                  You can Taft-Hartley in and not pay the fee at once.

                  Why are you so resentful of other working people who happen to be union members? How are those people or their union harming you? Those people are members of a union that fought for and won health care benefits and a pension plan.

                  Your anti-union rantings here are bizarre, frankly.

                  A vast majority of AFTRA members are working people earning a living wage for their work. I don;t know where you come up with all of your uninformed garbage about "rich boys," "elites" and "filet mignon."

                  Not many voiceover talents are getting rich, union or not. But at least union members are getting health care and a retirement plan.

                  Apparently, that's more than you can bear.

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                  by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 12:48:56 PM PST

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                  •  as a member of the NJEA (0+ / 0-)

                    thank you for taking a stand for the unions. we have nonunion private school teachers and directors who bash our union too, and complain about the fees, and how it would be ok if only the NEA stayed out of politics ( WTF???)Yeah the fact that private school staff have no pensions, no healthcare, no tenure( fair dismissal process, so save it ) is directly related to no fucking union. Kestrel sounds embittered. Perhaps if he/she is unsatisfied with the current union, he could opt for another, don't know...

                    •  It really frosts my ass that I have to defend a (1+ / 0-)
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                      ... union on Daily Kos from this uninformed, ignorant garbage.

                      I asked this poster over and over how AFTRA or union workers had harmed him and he had...

                      Nothing.

                      Just reactionary, rightwing union bashing. On a Democratic site, no less.

                      It makes me fucking sick.

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                      by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 06:29:25 PM PST

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                    •  If anything, this idiot should be fighting FOR (1+ / 0-)
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                      ... union rights, instead of trying to drag everyone else down with him because of abusive management.

                      Then maybe he'd have a pot to piss in.

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                      by Bob Johnson on Tue Feb 08, 2011 at 06:30:34 PM PST

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