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  •  2012 is looking worse and worse. (3+ / 0-)

    I don't have the unshakable faith that we'll keep the WH either.
    I'm not rooting for a loss, obviously, but '12 is gonna be a real nightmare if the dems don't get it together.

    They call him Machete...

    by dclawyer06 on Wed Feb 09, 2011 at 08:58:35 AM PST

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    •  Obama can win a John Kerry type map (3+ / 0-)
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      if he faces stiff opposition. But the GOP has to find the right person who can say "Are you better off than you were four years ago?"

      It's a pretty devastating line considering the White House's milquetoast record on jobs and housing.

      •  But we are better off. (0+ / 0-)

        Four years ago will be two months into the crisis.  Sure more jobs were lost befor than after November 2008, but voters should remember who was in the WH when it started.

        The way I see it, a president is most responsible for economic events at the end of his term(s), because of the delayed effects of his policies and the absence of a new guy to blame.

    •  Senate was always going to be in jeopardy (8+ / 0-)

      because of the '06 gains.  Wouldn't surprise me to seem them lose it no matter what happens in the presidential race.

      Nebraska's gone.  North Dakota's probably gone.  And Montana and Virginia are very iffy.  There's four right there.  With no guarantee that the Dems will gain any.

      You must compete by working more for less. Mush!

      by Paleo on Wed Feb 09, 2011 at 09:03:48 AM PST

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      •  If I wake up the day after the elex... (3+ / 0-)
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        with massive teabagger majorities in the House and Senate and a newly minted teabagger King(or Queen) in the WH, I'm gonna be one angry mofo.

        They call him Machete...

        by dclawyer06 on Wed Feb 09, 2011 at 09:08:20 AM PST

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        •  Then gird thy loins, mofo. (0+ / 0-)

          Much better to wake up now and do the work, than wake up 11/2/12 a loser.

          2012 is going to be the toughest election we'll ever see.  I've been voting since '72, and I can't think of any time it's been tougher, more important, or that there's been a bigger deck stacked against us.

          It ain't called paranoia - when they're really out to get you. 6 points.

          by Jaime Frontero on Wed Feb 09, 2011 at 10:18:40 AM PST

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      •  Add Missouri to that list as dicey (0+ / 0-)

        and possibly West Virginia, too.

        Democrats can probably defeat Scott Brown and maybe Olympia Snowe will retire or get teabagged.

        It's all hard to get a feel for because the voters don't seem to be voting for anything.  They seem to be voting that they feel they're in deep crap and don't see anyone pointing the way out of it.

        Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith but in doubt. It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. -Reinhold Niebuhr

        by killjoy on Wed Feb 09, 2011 at 10:49:44 AM PST

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    •  Why is that? (8+ / 0-)

      I'm not a Democrat, and maybe that shields me from some of the doom'n gloom, but I can't see how things are getting any worse for you guys.

      You started off in a tough position: twice as many Senate seats to defend as the Republicans will have, a result of big gains in 2006 and the normal rotation of Senate elections.

      But that was already true.

      In the meantime, Obama hasn't done so badly.  He pissed off progressives with the tax deal, but made it harder to paint  him as "comrade Obama" or some such thing -- and did manage to get extended unemployment benefits and a partial reinstatement of the estate tax.

      His approvals are looking better.

      The Republicans are making noise, but not doing much useful. Instead of making sensible and popular changes to the ACA, they are simply seeking to get rid of it.  I don't think that's a popular position out "in the country". Replace it, fix it, sure.  Throw it out and take us back to where we were? Not so much.

      And, the economy has to rebound sometime, right?

      Presidents and their parties always get too much credit and too much blame for the economy. If it comes back in a way that we can feel it on Main street, Democrats will do all right.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Wed Feb 09, 2011 at 09:06:51 AM PST

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      •  That's my hope... (2+ / 0-)
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        that the republicans relentless nihilism and lunacy will be so off-putting to indies that we can keep the WH.

        But this is the central question:

        And, the economy has to rebound sometime, right?

        They call him Machete...

        by dclawyer06 on Wed Feb 09, 2011 at 09:14:55 AM PST

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        •  Yes it is, and both parties have an incentive (2+ / 0-)
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          to want it better.

          Republicans are now in a position to drive legislation in the House. They will be vulnerable to "do nothing in a crisis" criticism if they do nothing, and "stabbing your supporters in the back" if they do things to make it worse.

          Democrats, on the other hand, win in the House no matter.
          As a minority party in the House, they get credit for putting the country ahead of party lines if they support useful and popular GOP initiatives, and can be "looking out for the Average Joe/Joline" by opposing lunacy.

          If things get better, they get to bask in the Presidential glow that comes simply from being there when times get good.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Wed Feb 09, 2011 at 09:37:17 AM PST

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