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  •  My take on it from watching the events as they (16+ / 0-)

    unfolded is that there are splits in the Egyptian Military, with the regular army mostly being sympathetic towards the protestors while some of the more specialized units, like the Presidential Guard and the military intelligence services(which Suleiman was head of) still being partly or mostly loyal to the regime.

    I noticed that - when the army first rolled in - they only had older, soviet tanks there and were not wearing battle vests.  This would be an indication that those were regular/conscript army units and that they were not prepared for gunfighting.  They did not start wearing battle vests until about a day after the pro-regime thugs had started the violence... the same time at which they started moving to disperse the remaining thugs.

    Later on they brought in units with modern m1a1 Abrams tanks, which is possibly an indication of Presidential Guard units showing up, or other professional units.

    The stories of the military police arresting, detaining, and also beating people are probably indicative of the military intelligence services that used to be led by Suleiman being involved.

    "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire

    by Lawrence on Wed Feb 09, 2011 at 06:34:36 PM PST

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    •  wow, what an observation (7+ / 0-)

      I should know that we can count on you Lawrence!

      I assume that the majority of the troops are not the elite, but they also do not have all the most modern equipment.

      I hope their numbers can outweigh the rest if necessary.

      ~~~~ Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace. - Dalai Lama

      by kimoconnor on Wed Feb 09, 2011 at 06:40:26 PM PST

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    •  clear as a bell. (5+ / 0-)

      thanks, lawrence.

      The Addington perpwalk is the trailhead for accountability in this wound on our national psyche. [...you know: Dick Cheney's "top" lawyer.] --Sachem

      by greenbird on Wed Feb 09, 2011 at 06:45:01 PM PST

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    •  Robert Fisk says they are US tanks (2+ / 0-)
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      Lawrence, neroden

      not us made, but forward reserve tanks positioned there by the US military for whatever, they were driven by Egytptians, and he was chased when he was seen writing the numbers down.

      (now for the reputation Robert Fisk has of Fisking things: that is demystifying the bullshit...even I can Fisk his claim in a way: he says the tanksters didn't care being photographed, but when he started writing the numbers down they freaked out and chased him into the crowd.
       Now that's pretty hyperbolic, especially from someone who has the rep of ...whatever..it was on Democracy Now today..)

      Basically, what the hell would they care he wrote something down (id numbers on tank) when he had photographed it. Maybe they thought he was a journalist and finally flipped out and tried to then arrest him.

      Look at the interview, Democracy Now with transcript! it's worth it for his observations and analysis...but I was shocked at his hyperbole, I expected clearer talk...I hate having to try so hard to filter the bullshit for the truth. I forgive him, he's been chased, threatened and prolly hasn't slept much , all credit to him, and Amy Goodman for having him on there.

       "Just Give Me Some Truth."

      Responsible people leave neither loaded guns nor paranoid, eliminationist ideologies laying around for the mentally ill to play with.

      by KenBee on Wed Feb 09, 2011 at 09:40:36 PM PST

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      •  Robert Fisk is making very little sense here, imo (0+ / 0-)

        The Egyptian army has over 1000 M1A1 Abrams tanks that are built under license in Egypt... why the hell would they need to borrow American tanks?!  They have one of the ten biggest tank armies in the world...

        That makes no sense whatsoever.

        "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire

        by Lawrence on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 09:44:38 AM PST

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