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  •  The military, probably. (4+ / 0-)

    From the AJ Liveblog:

    7:53pm: Leader of opposition Karama movement tells Al Jazeera he believes "the military approached Mubarak and told him it was time to go".

    6:49pm: Alan Fisher, Al Jazeera correspondent, notes the military's Supreme Council has only ever held three open sessions in its history. 1967, 1973 - and today.

    "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire

    by Lawrence on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 10:19:49 AM PST

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    •  Hmmm (1+ / 0-)
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      including 1981? That's kind of amazing.

    •  well, it is not as simple as 'the military' (2+ / 0-)
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      the military is clearly factionalized.

      it is not as simple as saying: it is the military.

      the Egyptian military is clearly not one focused power.

      Gaia is heartbroken.

      by BlueDragon on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 10:29:11 AM PST

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      •  You're preaching to the choir here. (1+ / 0-)
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        Some previous remarks that I have made:

           The Egyptian military is not a monolithic block.


        Large parts of the regular army are probably sympathetic to the protestors, while other parts, such as the Presidential Guard and military intelligence services, are likely loyal to the regime to an extent.

           My take on it from watching the events as they
           unfolded is that there are splits in the Egyptian Military, with the regular army mostly being sympathetic towards the protestors while some of the more specialized units, like the Presidential Guard and the military intelligence services(which Suleiman was head of) still being partly or mostly loyal to the regime.

           I noticed that - when the army first rolled in - they only had older, soviet tanks there and were not wearing battle vests.  This would be an indication that those were regular/conscript army units and that they were not prepared for gunfighting.  They did not start wearing battle vests until about a day after the pro-regime thugs had started the violence... the same time at which they started moving to disperse the remaining thugs.

           Later on they brought in units with modern m1a1 Abrams tanks, which is possibly an indication of Presidential Guard units showing up, or other professional units.

           The stories of the military police arresting, detaining, and also beating people are probably indicative of the military intelligence services that used to be led by Suleiman being involved.

        "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire

        by Lawrence on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 10:54:44 AM PST

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