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  •  America isn't a poor country. (20+ / 0-)

    But the American people are poor.

    Third highest poverty rate of the developed nations.

    (This is what happens when you allow the Wealth Gap to open -- be warned, Plutocrats.)

    •  First you have to get angry. (6+ / 0-)
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    •  Link to poverty stats... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...and is the poverty absolute as compared across economies or in terms of poverty as defined by each individual country?

      it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

      by Addison on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 11:14:33 AM PST

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      •  Google the OECD (6+ / 0-)

        ...and stop being such an apologist.

        •  HAha... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...whatever. I'm glad you were overly defensive right off the bat in response to the question, so that we could skip the boring middle act.

          The OECD measurement is based on median income (poverty being defined as varying percentages of that income), which is VASTLY higher in the US than other developing countries. Many of the people in "poverty" in the US according to the OECD stats would be well off in other countries according to those SAME statistics. And in many case the cost-of-living is not appreciably different or is HIGHER in those other countries (especially in Europe). It's a meaningless stat as far as poverty goes, though it does measure societal economic inequality in a rough way.

          The idea that there are vastly more people in "poverty" in the USA than other developed countries is a silly trick created through marrying an OBJECTIVE linguistic term with a RELATIVE statistical measurement.

          it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

          by Addison on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 11:28:07 AM PST

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      •  Parts of Inner Cities, Indian Res & Some Rural (2+ / 0-)
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        areas it would be absolute. In Clinton's time the life expectancy in the S Bronx and Indian Res's was cited at around 40 yrs.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 11:25:59 AM PST

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        •  Absolutely I agree with this... (0+ / 0-)

          ...though that was not what Pluto was referencing. He was talking about nationwide stats. We have pockets of absolute poverty in the US, at least by the standards and norms of "developed" nations.

          it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

          by Addison on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 11:30:01 AM PST

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        •  I should note... (0+ / 0-)

          ...that the story about life expectancy in the South Bronx is somewhat exaggerated and an urban myth. I would be happy to see other data on that. The Bronx, specifically the South Bronx, has not experienced the growth that other boroughs have seen AND has experienced a decrease in life expectancy.

          From NYT's Economix blog:

          Given the historic growth pattern from 1960 to 2005, the United States as a whole won’t have levels of well-being typical of the East Side today until 2041, whereas residents of the South Bronx have levels of health, education and income typical of Americans in the mid-1980s. On average, a resident of Manhattan’s 14th Congressional District (the East Side) earns two and a half times as much, lives four years longer, and is seven times more likely to have a college degree than a resident of the 16th District (the South Bronx).

          South Bronx is behind the American average, but unless we're talking about very small pockets or specific apartment buildings I don't think the life expectancy of the South Bronx is going to be "around 40 years.).

          And in terms of Indian reservations I believe the number is closer to 60 than 40, with the Sioux having the worst life expectancy of a community in the Western hemisphere at 47. From a blog that lists its sources:

          The six-county region in southwestern South Dakota that is home to both the Pine Ridge and Rosebud Reservations has the lowest life expectancy in the United States. Those who live in this predominantly-Indigenous area “can expect to live 66.6 years, well short of the 79 years for low-income rural white people in the Northern Plains.”[11] If this region of South Dakota was compared with all of the countries in the Western Hemisphere, it would rank ahead of only Bolivia and Haiti in terms of its residents’ longevity. By themselves, American Indian males in these South Dakota counties had a life expectancy of a mere 58 years in the period 1997-2001.[12]

          it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

          by Addison on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 11:45:10 AM PST

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