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  •  Again we disagree (7+ / 0-)

    What appears you wanted was for Obama to dive in head first right off the bat. not possible or prudent. You wanted him to throw the full weight of the US behind the protesters immediately before even knowing where this was heading. This would have been ill advised and a diplomatic blunder of a rather large magnitude.

    In the choice between changing ones mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof.

    by jsfox on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 06:39:18 PM PST

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    •  No - what I wanted him to do was to work w (3+ / 0-)
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      international partners to clear a path for the protesters to act in a free and unrestricted manner - that has been attempted, and I'd say it's about 80% successful (good, but certainly not good enough when we're talking about the lives of real people).

      What he has done well:

      1. Stopped Israel from freaking out and moving troops to the border.
      1. Helped to stop a lot of other US-friendly govts in the region from freaking out and doing any number of bad things that would destabilize the region.
      1. Halted a worldwide freakout in international markets.

      Those are all good things, and I do not short change them.

      That being said, other things can be done that would make this better...this is my constructive criticism about what those things are, and how they've fallen short in the past few weeks.

      "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

      by grannyhelen on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 06:48:05 PM PST

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    •  agreed, but with the caveat that (4+ / 0-)
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      as someone who knows plenty of diplomats just because we all talk to each other in these foreign postings, I think we really need to understand that many of the most sensitive messages are given - very clearly - privately because a decision was made that private would be more effective.  

      I don't have any contacts working on Egypt, but I would be shocked if there weren't cables and phone calls flowing hourly almost since this started, not only with the Egyptian authorities, but also with other countries, including Israel.  Sometimes you look for subtle shifts in language particularly in official statements.  Sometimes you look for where there is sudden silence.  (Has Israel said much lately, for instance?  Maybe - I haven't been following that side of the story that closely.)  A lot more has to do with things said privately than we often recognize, and that may make it harder for us to praise or blame or even fully understand what's happening.  And, that can lead to it being all too easy to interpret the official statements through our own lens of what we think about this Administration, rightly or wrongly.

      (Sadly, in Kathmandu no longer.)

      by American in Kathmandu on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 08:14:05 PM PST

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