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  •  Dept of State looks dysfunctional on this issue (3+ / 0-)
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    embarassing, really

    Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

    by Eiron on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 06:40:12 PM PST

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    •  Only to those from US. For those outside (1+ / 0-)
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      the cable teevee bubble, the admin looks fine what it is doing.

      One bitter fact is two bit hacks populate the third rate fourth estate who are truly the fifth columnists.

      by amk for obama on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 06:45:44 PM PST

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    •'s been muddled, not horrid. nt (2+ / 0-)
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      "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

      by grannyhelen on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 06:49:53 PM PST

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    •  I suspect they may have been pushing (6+ / 0-)

      behind the scenes.  But Mubarak's unwillingness to stand down and his horrendous performance this evening, coupled with the huge demonstrations that will start up in a few hours in Cairo, convinced Obama to cut him loose.  

      This press statement is basically saying "We tried, but you wouldn't listen.  We're not going to compromise our interests any further, and we need to formally recognize that a revolution has taken place and you no longer are an asset".  

      The US doesn't have as much influence over Mubarak as it did over Ferdinand Marcos, but this is the Cory Aquino snap-revolution moment when events on the ground reach a point that the old regime is dead, and all that remains is for the Sec of State or perhaps the Pres himself gets on the phone and say "game over".  I predict Mubarak is gone within 48 hours and Sulaiman does not succeed him.

      "Die Stimme der Vernuft ist leise." (The voice of reason is soft)

      by ivorybill on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 07:02:43 PM PST

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      •  One does hope. But I recall making a similar (5+ / 0-)

        prediction during the Iranian revolt in 2009.

        It is a do things about injustice.... It helps to have a goal. I've always tried to have one.--Ted Kennedy, True Compass

        by Timaeus on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 07:08:08 PM PST

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        •  There are differences (8+ / 0-)

          For one thing, Ahmedinejad actually really does have a deep base of support, especially among rural-urban migrants in Tehran.  He may have stolen the election, but it's a different matter to steal 10 percentage points than 30 or 40.  

          Also, Mubarak is boxed in by the US, EU and Arab States.  Egypt is totally dependent on imports and cannot sustain any sort of economic embargo for any period of time.  Iran is far more self-sufficient to begin with, and is surrounded by trading partners who will break embargoes like Iraq. Turkey and Azerbaijan.  Egypt borders only Sudan and Libya, who can't really help them much.  Israel wouldn't dare support Mubarak openly. Netanyahu seems to take special glee in insulting Pres Obama, but even if he doesn't fear the US, direct Israeli support for Mubarak would be so poisonous to the Egyptian people it could never stand.  So if Mubarak gets violent and holds on, the next step is an embargo that would quickly bring a collapse.

          And perhaps most importantly, Mubarak may be a dictator, but he has both political (and I suspect personal) limits to the sort of violence he is willing to inflict on civilian crowds. Ahmedinejad was never under the same constraints.  

          "Die Stimme der Vernuft ist leise." (The voice of reason is soft)

          by ivorybill on Thu Feb 10, 2011 at 07:20:12 PM PST

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