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  •  This is why Obama is so utterly vile. (1+ / 0-)
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    Nothing he will ever do will redeem his effectively granting amnesty to the people who did this. It is unforgivable. Beyond redemption.

    The victims of U.S. torture and, in more than 100 cases, their survivors, deserve justice a more than the villagers deserve civil cocktail parties.

    Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope... --RFK

    by expatjourno on Thu Feb 17, 2011 at 03:01:13 PM PST

    •  You mention Obama in most of your comments (4+ / 0-)

      While I agree with your position that, by not honoring his legal obligation to pursue evidence of war crimes he opened himself up to the charge of being a war criminal, I believe it cheapens the issue to focus so closely on Obama.  I also believe that, no matter how accurate your view may be, on a practical level it clouds the discussion, inevitably causing a degeneration into a pro-Obama/anti-Obama polarity fests.  This is not productive.

      By focusing on the crimes themselves, by steadfastly shining a light on them, we stand a better chance of influencing the public perception and thus the actions of our government.   This is my opinion.

      Don't believe everything you think.

      by geomoo on Thu Feb 17, 2011 at 04:28:48 PM PST

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      •  I'm steadfastly shining a light on who is... (4+ / 0-)
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        ...responsible for ensuring that torturers get away with it and turning a war crime into a mere policy dispute. This is Democratic site and there is a serious problem with the leader of this party.

        I'm avoiding commenting on the torture that this administration is continuing to inflict so as not to distract from the issue you raised, which is torture during the previous administration.

        Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope... --RFK

        by expatjourno on Thu Feb 17, 2011 at 04:37:03 PM PST

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        •  Degrees of guilt. (3+ / 0-)
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          It is depressing that we have so many levels of guilt to categorize.  I think you're right to leave out the on-going torture in some discussions.  There are some examples, such as the one in this diary, which are widely known and well-substantiated.  It is to our advantage at times to focus exclusively on those.  That doesn't mean, as we know, that we are going to turn a blind eye to the on-going issue.  Really, there is so much work to be done.

          Don't believe everything you think.

          by geomoo on Thu Feb 17, 2011 at 04:54:23 PM PST

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          •  You are very wise. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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            Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope... --RFK

            by expatjourno on Thu Feb 17, 2011 at 04:59:49 PM PST

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