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  •  Supporting a president who supports torture... (2+ / 0-)
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    ratmach, MixedContent failing to prosecute torturers and by allowing people to continue to be tortured by the U.S. military of which he is commander-in-chief, is, in fact, supporting torture.

    Each time a person stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope... --RFK

    by expatjourno on Thu Feb 17, 2011 at 03:15:38 PM PST

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    •  I heard a very vocal anti-torture (0+ / 0-)

      proponent, the man who actually gets results from treating people kindly, say that from what he's hearing from his compatriots, there is no one torturing people anymore.  The line has been drawn, and is being respected.

      He said the problem is that there are still people in power who don't differentiate between Muslims and terrorists who claim to be Islamic.  As long as we vilify any other human being, we are not respecting his or her humanity, which creates the environment for torturing people - they're not really human, so who cares.  

      His point was that there's a deeper issue we are avoiding, the issue of creating enemies, dehumanizing people we don't agree with or don't like.

      I have not been really exercised about prosecuting Cheney, for reasons most people don't understand or don't want to know about.  If it was easy, he'd be in prison.  If there was enough evidence for a quick trial, he'd be in the process.  

      The point is that Cheney is simply the latest and most arrogant of Americans who support and promote torture.  Starting a RW/LW war around him will serve, IMO, to keep the focus off the underlying problem:  as a nation We've been supporting dictators all over the world who routinely torture and murder their dissidents.  That's a fact.  What we say we stand for is just a sentimental overlay that keeps American citizens from having to face some really ugly truths.  If Cheney becomes a martyr to the RW/neo-con cause, and our media manage to twist prosecutions into partisan persecutions won't that enable the dirty secrets to stay dirty?  Once Wikileaks has all the dirt, won't the Murdoch's have ample evidence that Democrats are as guilty as Republicans, and won't that end the whole discussion?

      This is so much bigger than Dick Cheney.  If we really want to hurt the man let's make sure he and his never regain political power.  Let's bust our asses to make sure Democrats are running things, and that they know that torture, repression, and the status quo are totally unacceptable.  Let's be the people who educate the masses.

      If I thought it would be an easy thing to do I'd be parked outside the White House with a sign demanding that Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld be arrested today.  The long-term consequences of that are what concern me, mostly the kinds of consequences that come from reality being swept under yet another rug.

      I keep reading, wondering when someone will come up with a solution to this underlying problem.  It concerns me that the focus stays on this man/these men, when it's truly an enormous problem that we've left untouched for decades, perhaps centuries.

      I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

      by I love OCD on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 01:40:09 PM PST

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