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  •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)

    I strongly disagree with you.

    I see your actions as supporting a known troll and seriously undermining this community's moderating system because you are sympathetic to this troll's politics. If you want validation beyond my view, you may want to check out this thread where AdamB makes his view on the troll clear:

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    •  "known troll" (3+ / 0-)

      You set a standard that is impossible to meet.  The way a person becomes a "known troll" is by responsible members determining he is a troll, then informing others of this determination.  No one even attempted to inform me of this until, as I keep saying, seven hours after I and the other person was insulted.  I am not responsible for what I do not know.  Would you make the claim that you know every troll on dailykos?  If you did, I would have to call you a liar.

      Even if the claim had been made that he is a troll, I have explained the reasons why I would have questioned this statement.  It is NOT my duty to investigate the background of any kossack just because you ask me to.  It is NOT my duty to be aware of every troll.  If you want cooperation from me in getting rid of a troll, then it is YOUR duty to approach me respectfully with evidence, asking me.  Even so, I still enjoy the right to disagree with you.  From what I have seen in the past, I do disagree with your accusations of trollery and other such disruptive behaviors a high percentage of the time.  Likewise with trashablanca.  But I still keep an open mind.  Perhaps bigchin deserves to be kicked off dkos.  I don't know.

      This extended discussion, btw, has an annoying trait that is common.  While on the surface it takes the form of concern over protecting discourse on dailykos, what it feels like underneath is an insistence on finding me wrong.  In fact, many people, when faced with initial disturbing energy of insults, followed by direct insults to themselves and to things they care about (e.g., group guidelines), would have become angry and reacted with insults themselves.  This would have been quite useful in painting such a person as wrong. ( I have heard it called a banning trap.  Dead threads are especially useful for these, because the greater community is not around to see the baiting behavior, and because it is easier to take statements out of context.)  I happen to be good at exercising restraint, and I am strongly committed to being reasonable.  But that hasn't protected me from spending hours now in a seemingly endless quest to be granted minimally reasonable requests and to avoid being painted as wrong in some way.

      This is all too typical.  And now, with this latest extension of the conversation, I'll just tell you straight out that I am very angry to be having to defend myself against your criticisms when it is I who have been insulted.

      If you think my irresponsible behavior (as you see it) as a TU warrants reporting to admin, then please do so.  I'm through defending myself on this.

      Don't believe everything you think.

      by geomoo on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 10:26:41 PM PST

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    •  "known troll" [previously posted in wrong place] (2+ / 0-)
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      SJerseyIndy, priceman

      You set a standard that is impossible to meet.  The way a person becomes a "known troll" is by responsible members determining he is a troll, then informing others of this determination. As the FAQ make clear, it is no small thing to HOS.  No one even attempted to inform me of this until, as I keep saying, seven hours after I and the other person was insulted.  I am not responsible for what I do not know.  Would you make the claim that you know every troll on dailykos?  If you did, I would have to call you a liar.

      Even if the claim had been made that he is a troll, I have explained the reasons why I would have questioned this statement.  It is NOT my duty to investigate the background of any kossack just because you ask me to.  It is NOT my duty to be aware of every troll.  If you want cooperation from me in getting rid of a troll, then it is YOUR duty to approach me respectfully with evidence, asking me.  Even so, I still enjoy the right to disagree with you.  From what I have seen in the past, I do disagree with your accusations of trollery and other such disruptive behaviors a high percentage of the time.  Likewise with trashablanca.  But I still keep an open mind.  Perhaps bigchin deserves to be kicked off dkos.  I don't know.

      This extended discussion, btw, has an annoying trait that is common.  While on the surface it takes the form of concern over protecting discourse on dailykos, what it feels like underneath is an insistence on finding me wrong.  In fact, many people, when faced with initial disturbing energy of insults, followed by direct insults to themselves and to things they care about (e.g., group guidelines), would have become angry and reacted with insults themselves.  This would have been quite useful in painting such a person as wrong. ( I have heard it called a banning trap.  Dead threads are especially useful for these, because the greater community is not around to see the baiting behavior, and because it is easier to take statements out of context.)  I happen to be good at exercising restraint, and I am strongly committed to being reasonable.  But that hasn't protected me from spending hours now in a seemingly endless quest to be granted minimally reasonable requests and to avoid being painted as wrong in some way.

      This is all too typical.  And now, with this latest extension of the conversation, I'll just tell you straight out that I am very angry to be having to defend myself against your criticisms when it is I who have been insulted.

      If you think my irresponsible behavior (as you see it) as a TU warrants reporting to admin, then please do so.  I'm through defending myself on this.

      Don't believe everything you think.

      by geomoo on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 10:29:15 PM PST

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      •  No need to defend yourself, geomoo. (5+ / 0-)
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        Agathena, geomoo, rb137, Lady Libertine, PhilJD

        I can speak from direct experience, though, of the frustration you are experiencing as a result of feeling as that you've been made to defend yourself from accusations hurled without base... beside twisting of context and mischaracterization.

        It's happened to me as well, with this exact user.

        Time and again.

        You've shown nothing but grace and restraint.

        Something I myself cannot say the same, as I've given in to the anger and frustration at times.

        More and Better Democrats

        by SJerseyIndy on Sat Feb 19, 2011 at 09:33:13 AM PST

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        •  Thank you for this, SJerseyIndy. nt (3+ / 0-)
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          conchita, SJerseyIndy, rb137

          Don't believe everything you think.

          by geomoo on Sat Feb 19, 2011 at 11:07:06 AM PST

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          •  You're most welcome. (1+ / 0-)
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            geomoo

            I've always known you to be a critical but fair and thoughtful arbiter 'round here, which makes fcvaguy's comments somewhat more bothersome.
            But the thing I've find when engaging fcva is that as you push-back on the charges hurled against you... they'll tend to be ignored in favor of further and expanding charges, feeding a seemingly never-ending cycle.
            I've ridden that merry-go-round with fcva a number of times, and I don't see it changing any time soon given he's still at it even with other users.
            Here's to your patience and ever-intending devotion to remaining civil.
            You're far better at it than I.

            More and Better Democrats

            by SJerseyIndy on Sat Feb 19, 2011 at 11:29:30 AM PST

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    •  You are wrong, and I resent the accusation. (4+ / 0-)
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      Burned, SJerseyIndy, rb137, Lady Libertine
      I see your actions as supporting a known troll and seriously undermining this community's moderating system because you are sympathetic to this troll's politics.

      I have stated more than once that I did not uprate the comment upon first reading it.  I uprated for precisely the reason I stated, which was to counter what I perceived as an abusive HR.  I announced my intention to the person who gave the HR, and I waited for an explanation for the HR before deciding to uprate.  When the explanation was neither creditable, because it was more insult than substance, and was not supported by site rules, then and only then did I uprate the comment.  This obviously is not simply partisan.

      In effect, you are accusing me of lying.  If you have any evidence that I am lying, the please present it.  If you are just making shit up, then stop.

      Don't believe everything you think.

      by geomoo on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 11:02:41 PM PST

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    •  Known to whom?? (2+ / 0-)
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      rb137, Lady Libertine

      I know geomoo as a good writer who makes contributions to this site.

      That's why I "follow" him.

      This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

      by Agathena on Sat Feb 19, 2011 at 10:05:15 AM PST

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