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    •  Repubs are not conservatives. (8+ / 0-)

      The radical right is not a conservative movement.

      Everything will make no sense as long as we use nonsense language, like calling the radical right "conservative", and call liberals "leftists".

      •  Agreed Random (2+ / 0-)
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        Racist radical Republican Governor Kasich- "I don't need your people".

        by J Brunner Fan on Thu Feb 17, 2011 at 07:31:46 AM PST

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      •  Actually they are conservative (1+ / 0-)
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        One of the problems Dems have in mobilizing support is this doctrine that somehow conservatism is all this wonderful sweetness and light, and that 98% of the people who call themselves conservattive aren't conservative.  That doesn't follow Occam's razor, which tells us that whatever 98% of conservatives are, that's conservatism.

        "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." ~Frederick Douglass

        by ActivistGuy on Thu Feb 17, 2011 at 08:26:32 AM PST

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        •  That's not "Occam's Razor" at all. (1+ / 0-)
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          Conservatism isn't just what folks who currently declare themselves to be conservatives believe -- any more than if they simply re-titled themselves "Liberals", they'd be liberals.

          The words have an internal structure, a history and a poetic resonance that leaves implications beyond just being an arbitrary label. Conservatism is "conserve" + "ism" -- if you take a radical right position, a revolutionary position, and then you use that label, you are misleading people. You are abusing the language for propagandistic purposes.

          Liberalism also has a history -- and it hasn't been associated with "leftism" until the mid to late 20th century as a propaganda campaign by radical rightists. "Liberalism" inherently implies the political party of the middle class, which hasn't been leftist since the 1780s.

          For most of the last two hundred years, Liberalism and Conservatism overlap to a very large extent. There's a literary logic to this that says that attempt to redefine words for pure political expediency is simply a propaganda campaign to erase history.

          Conservatism has a role to play as the break on the system -- but if you start calling the accelerator in reverse a "brake" instead, someone is going to end up blowing a rod regardless of any mutterings about "well, I mean what I mean".

        •  Not true (1+ / 0-)
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          I'll agree that Conservative philosophy is a pretty deranged ideology, but find me a mainstream Republican figure today who practices it.

          Most GOPers are fascists to a lesser or greater degree, a post-modern ideology that, despite its nostalgia for the glories of an imagined past, is antithetical to Conservatism.

          The Angries are back

          by Goldfish on Thu Feb 17, 2011 at 02:25:31 PM PST

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