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  •  It's not the bugs that bug me the most (21+ / 0-)

    It's the whole damn site.  Hate, hate, hate.

    I've lost ALL sense of community and it's more like work using the site now than fun.

    I'm going to stay, as I've loved this site from day one, but I will never like this supposed upgrade.  In my opinion, this was the worst thing that could have happened to this place.  The sense of community is what has held this place together through every pie war, primary war, meta fight.  And that is gone.

    Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore. John Prine -8.00,-5.79

    by Miss Blue on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 06:26:48 AM PST

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    •  Not quite with you here (5+ / 0-)

      I have had more feedback, including a good few "messages" than I ever had before.

      I do agree that there is "just so damned much" that I find it a bit confusing at times. Some of those things will evolve and change, others I'll get used to.

      There are some interface fixes that need doing .... especially text contrast.

      All in all though, it's a much better base to work from than before.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      by twigg on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 06:42:12 AM PST

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      •  I am totally w miss blue (14+ / 0-)

        I dont' care about the bugs, except the ones that Ronton is having and ones that are hard for users, b/c they will be fixed... tho dog knows when.

        But the site has steroid psychosis. Sorry but many of us feel that way. It's no longer user friendly. It's bloated, bulky and clumsy. You have to scroll forever to find what you want, you have to click too many times, then when you find what you want, it's hard to read b/c of: font issues, too much white and insufficient contrast.

        Recommending a comment sometimes works, sometimes doesn't and sometimes results in a hr. Linking urls and photos sometimes works and often doesn't b/c of formatting issues.

        Then there's the community issue which Miss Blue references above. It's evaporated. There are enough groups to choke a horse w/o much interaction between them. It's like a solar system with planets rotating in their own orbit and never interacting.

        There must be some reason this was done. But it has nothing at all to do with it needing to be done b/c DK3 wan't broken and didn't need fixing.

        I know this is a rant. I know Kos doesn't care. But given that, I wish I could get my money back for lifetime user. I helped support him and the site and he doesn't give a rat's ass if I leave. I've been here since November 21, 2003. I'm just a regular user who comments and occasionally writes a diary.

        But honestly, the site is no longer working for me. I've given it a week. I'll give it more time. I'll never write a TTFN or GBCW diary.. I'll just disappear and a handful of ppl will care and kos won't.  Perhaps I am, as David Korten in his book "When Corporations Rule the World"  

        just a source of inefficiency.

        "Say little; do much." (Pirkei Avot: 1:15)

        by hester on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 07:07:14 AM PST

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        •  I will care. (8+ / 0-)

          Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore. John Prine -8.00,-5.79

          by Miss Blue on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 07:17:24 AM PST

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        •  "Insuffient contrast" is an understatement. (10+ / 0-)
        •  Very well said. (8+ / 0-)

          Casual user here too and my time here is less and less.

        •  An honest response deserves (2+ / 0-)
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          hester, woodtick

          a considered reply:

          I dont' care about the bugs, except the ones that Ronton is having and ones that are hard for users, b/c they will be fixed... tho dog knows when.

          Yes, they will. Speed has already improved enormously, and commenting and rating is more reliable.

          But the site has steroid psychosis. Sorry but many of us feel that way. It's no longer user friendly. It's bloated, bulky and clumsy. You have to scroll forever to find what you want, you have to click too many times, then when you find what you want, it's hard to read b/c of: font issues, too much white and insufficient contrast.

          I think a lot of this is down to "change". I accept that people are having problems with it, I have a few of my own, but many of the changes have addressed the very things we have complained about for years.

          One Kossack' "bloat:, is another's "tools". In useability tests conducted in the Beta it was shown that, with minoe exceptions, the same number or fewer clicks are needed here than in DK3. It doesn't always feel that way because it's only been 5 days, but it is true.

          There are some scrolling issues, but some prefer the clarity .... Jack Spratt and his Wife!

          I agree, there are still some font/contrast issues.

          Recommending a comment sometimes works, sometimes doesn't and sometimes results in a hr. Linking urls and photos sometimes works and often doesn't b/c of formatting issues.

          This has improved. I have had no trouble with linking pics and videos, but I understand that others have.

          Then there's the community issue which Miss Blue references above. It's evaporated. There are enough groups to choke a horse w/o much interaction between them. It's like a solar system with planets rotating in their own orbit and never interacting.

          This I don't accept, well at least not wholly. There is a lot to take in, that's true, but mainly that seems to be down to there just being many more facilities.

          For those who liked DK3 the way it was, well it hasn't changed much for them. You can still read and comment in the way you always could. The extra stuff is there for those who want to use it. Is it perfect .... I doubt it, but it it far better than before.

          Yes there are design faults, and they will need addressing. The "old" Dkos, while still here, looks very different and that takes some getting used to. A couple of handy features have disappeared, but others have taken their place.

          I think there is "more Community", not less. Certainly from my feedback I feel more noticed, even if I am confused at times. I still don't like the way various lists are organised, and the Rec. List alogorithm needs adjusting.

          I am also missing some of my favourite "community" elements .... like High Impact Diaries for example.

          The "Group" thing will shake itself out but is one of the best features of the new site. Use Groups, don't use them, nothing has changed if you don't want it to.

          There must be some reason this was done. But it has nothing at all to do with it needing to be done b/c DK3 wan't broken and didn't need fixing.

          Markos has been clear "why" it has been done. It's not yet there. DK3 is still there, it hasn't been fixed. The appearance has changed is all. I don't like all the changes.

          I know this is a rant. I know Kos doesn't care. But given that, I wish I could get my money back for lifetime user. I helped support him and the site and he doesn't give a rat's ass if I leave. I've been here since November 21, 2003. I'm just a regular user who comments and occasionally writes a diary.

          I have always been a supporter of rants. They are useful. I hope you stay, and I'm pretty sure Markos does too. I'm just a regular User too, with a shorter history than yours, and you deserve respect.

          But honestly, the site is no longer working for me. I've given it a week. I'll give it more time. I'll never write a TTFN or GBCW diary.. I'll just disappear and a handful of ppl will care and kos won't.  Perhaps I am, as David Korten in his book "When Corporations Rule the World"  

              just a source of inefficiency.

          I think the site will change. It will "calm down", some features will work out great and be enhanced, others will not and will quietly be dropped.

          I am unhappy that a top design house came up with this interface, it's neither bold enough to be attractive, not clear enough to be the final version.

          That;s a hard one to fix, but it's window dressing. I know how important window dressing is, but try to assess the features separately from the design, because then we can throw out the bathwater without losing the baby.

          I'm with you, and all those who are unhappy .... I just think it's a lot more positive under the skin.

          I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
          but I fear we will remain Democrats.

          by twigg on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 07:34:56 AM PST

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        •  The "experts" who designed DK4... (6+ / 0-)

          were recommended to Kos by his former polling outfit.

          s/

          When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

          by PhilJD on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 07:40:07 AM PST

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        •  Here is a FF add on to help with fonts (0+ / 0-)

          and background

          https:/addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/nosquint

          "To be worn out is to be renewed." -- Lao-tzu

          by woodtick on Sat Feb 19, 2011 at 06:19:23 AM PST

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    •  I'm with you there, Miss Blue (12+ / 0-)

      If this is an improvement, I'd sure hate to see an unimprovement. Ive been on this site for almost 7 years now and it may be time to let go.

      Happy just to be alive

      by exlrrp on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 06:51:29 AM PST

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      •  Nah (8+ / 0-)

        Don't let go, this is the loudest voice we have.  

        I know there are other progressive sites, but none have the cache or volume of this one.  It's why I'll stick it out, even though it bugs the shit out of me right now.

        And for what it's worth, you just know in a couple years Markos will change it again, lol.  

        Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore. John Prine -8.00,-5.79

        by Miss Blue on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 06:54:12 AM PST

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        •  Volume is not the end-all and be-all (5+ / 0-)

          It may make Markos money, but it doesn't necessarily provoke action or even get democrats elected.  Too much "choice" is paralyzing at a certian point.  And in busy lives, scrolling through 150 diaires is time-consuming and many times counterproductive.

          The site is now too fragmented to make a big splash anywhere.  The folks hanging out in one group and only following certain diarists are not seeing action items in other groups or by other diarists.  That is going to be a big problem down the road.

    •  I used to be able to read here (14+ / 0-)

      for a couple of hours easily.  It's 15 minutes now, at the most.  I get a headache now.  Not sure if it's the colors or the lack of contrast or the fonts or what.....but it's literally painful to look at this site now.  Damn shame that.

    •  Give it a bit more time. (5+ / 0-)
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      johanus, Chinton, twigg, woodtick, Ron Tunning

      I thin it is actually much better for community building. It is just different than we are used to and it'll take time to get to know all the cool new tools.

    •  Hate it too, Miss Blue (6+ / 0-)

      It's a pure pain in the ass to use and read (lots of clicking, lots of scrolling). I used to come here and linger but now I come to catch up with what's brewing and then leave.
      I agree that the sense of community is not here anymore.  I don't know why exactly, but now it has that Huffington Post feel of 'ships passing in the night'.

      Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver

      by byteb on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 07:35:35 AM PST

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      •  I know what it is.....diairies are not (5+ / 0-)

        written for "everyone" anymore.  It is becoming what the rest of the internet has become - niche marketing.  Many people are in favor of that in every aspect of their life (music, politics, even news), but I am not.  I think it is the most basic reason for the divisions we see in our society recently.

        I have wide and varied interests.  I have neither the time nor the inclination to follow any diarist or group.  That dkos has taken that turn disappoints me and I have actively gone in search of other places.  There are lots of other blogs with the same and even better quality of writing on a wide variety of topics that do not require the user to jump through the hoops that have been set up here.

        •  I'm not sure that is true (2+ / 0-)
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          What is true is that many more Diaries are being written, at the moment, on a much wider variety of subjects.

          Many are being written for "niche interest" Groups and that is where they are going.

          But that has introduced me to stuff I wouldn't have seen, and the Rec List and Recently Recc'd list, and the Community Spotlight are filled with good quality writing on subjects we are all familiar with.

          There is just MORE of it.

          It's been five days ....

          I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
          but I fear we will remain Democrats.

          by twigg on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 07:55:19 AM PST

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          •  More is not necessarily better (3+ / 0-)
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            Miss Blue, woodtick, Amber6541

            it's just more.  While some people have all day to be on a website, most of us do not.  

          •  I don't know, I think we've lost a lot of (3+ / 0-)
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            twigg, woodtick, Amber6541

            volume and replaced it with velocity which can work both ways...

            one of my group members Man Eegee had the top rec list diary for a day and a half and there were only 2700 views..........

            plus there is more clicking and scrolling to the point of annoyance...I just tried 3 times to post a reply with a pic and finally just gave up....and that was after giving up control and letting the site load whatever the heck it wanted....I'll try again after more caffeine............

            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
            Emiliano Zapata

            by buddabelly on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 08:38:58 AM PST

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            •  Why are you having trouble (1+ / 0-)
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              with pics?

              Photobucket

              I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
              but I fear we will remain Democrats.

              by twigg on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 08:47:21 AM PST

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              •  if I knew it wouldn't be trouble now would it ;) (2+ / 0-)
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                twigg, woodtick

                the first couple times no pics would show in preview, then the third time I hit the backspace and the browser went back which seems to happen occasionally now but never did before......

                and i'm getting tennis elbow from the scroll wheel.....

                I like it, it has possibilities but the learning curve is much higher than a lot of people want to deal with, most just come here to read, not all the rest...

                I do have faith the bugs will get worked out but I'm still not convinced on the design itself.....

                I'm going to ck back a month or so and see what kind of page views a rec list diary had.....

                Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                Emiliano Zapata

                by buddabelly on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 09:00:25 AM PST

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                •  here's an example and before the switch (3+ / 0-)

                  http://www.dailykos.com/...

                  ck out Jotter's stats, in the last year we lost a thousand active Kogs even though it held fairly steady between the last election and the last year stats

                  Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                  I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                  Emiliano Zapata

                  by buddabelly on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 09:06:39 AM PST

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                  •  The Page Hits have held good (1+ / 0-)
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                    woodtick

                    but I take your point.

                    I would expect a pretty large fall off from a massive peak right before Obama was elected. Folk were enthsiastic beyond reason.

                    Again I would expect a much smaller peake before the mid-terms, and the numbers should start climbing as the General approaches.

                    Kos has put a lot of money into the upgrade, and it might be a gamble, but I'm pretty sure he has not been short of offers, and hasn't sold it yet.

                    We were seeing a fairly consistent 150+ Diaries most days before the switch.

                    I dunno .... I could be completely wrong, but I do think that the info available on this site will be better quality and easier to find once the change settles down.

                    I hope so anyway.

                    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
                    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

                    by twigg on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 10:53:43 AM PST

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        •  Then click on diaries (1+ / 0-)
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          woodtick

          It gives you every diary as they're written -- just like the old recent list.

    •  I agree. Does that make me a troglodyte? (3+ / 0-)
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      Miss Blue, PsychoSavannah, woodtick

      No quarter. No surrender.

      by hegemony57 on Fri Feb 18, 2011 at 08:02:46 AM PST

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    •  By "Hate, hate, hate" you mean you hate DK4? (1+ / 0-)
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      woodtick

      How do you detect a loss of community?

      The many Groups don't seem to interfere with the common areas that always existed.

      Perhaps you're seeing something I'm not though so what's the main culprit in your view?

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