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  •  The Larger Issue of Public vs Private Union (0+ / 0-)

    It seems to me that a lot of people are missing the very BIG distinction between public and private unions. No one, including the folks in WI, have anything negative to say about private unions in this current feud.

    Private is private. If the unions can negotiate it, good for them! The company pays it and all is well. If there is a satisfied workforce, the company should be more likely to prosper, and conversely, if the union overplays its hand to the extent that the company is no longer competitive, then everyone suffers. There is a natural balance at work. All good.

    But public unions are a whole other thing.  FDR was dead set against them. As he said: “It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.”

    What we have here is not union busting, and doesn't even concern private unions. Instead what we have is a large private sector that has been taking it in the shorts and cutting back, and watching government workers continue on as usual with regular raises and job security, and all the while the private sector guy is footing the bill.

    And now, with deficits every which way, and tax increases every which way, the private sector guy figures after his shorts they'll be coming for his underwear and so he is shouting

    "No! I won't pay you to live better than me!"

    That is what we have in WI, and soon in other states. It is not union vs capitalism, or such. It is the age old Haves against the Have Nots. The Have Nots are paying for the Haves, and Walker told them that if they elected him, they wouldn't have to pay any more.

    What's The Matter With Kansas? -Nothing. Folks like to have their dreams, is all.

    by RyanBTC on Sat Feb 19, 2011 at 03:22:34 PM PST

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      greenearth

      on picking up so quickly on the latest Republican talking points. "It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government" is shows up in dozens of Google hits just from these last two days or so. Only trouble is, FDR didn't say it.

      As for what "FDR warned us" about, here's what he actually had to say about government employee unions:

      The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry. Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government.

      I guess FDR wasn't dead set against public unions after all.

      Even though our dream is not yet completed... we are not quitters... and we are not through. Ty'Sheoma Bethea

      by Nowhere Man on Sat Feb 19, 2011 at 09:35:25 PM PST

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