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  •  Haven't you heard of the Tenthers? (4+ / 0-)
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    It is absolutely standard Tenther doctrine that there are a whole lot of powers that are retained by state govts that the federal govt cannot intrude upon.  It is absolutely not even slightly against logic, not at all against their ideology, to claim that it is perfectly within the power of a state to set up something like Obamacre just for itself, but that the federal govt, precisely because this is a state power, is not allowed to implement the same plan throughout the Union.  That's the whole point of Tentherism.

    You may not agree with these people about the Tenth being a good idea.  I don't.  I think it should have been repealed after the Civil War.

    You may not agree with them on how they interpret the Tenth.  I can't be so categorical on that point, which is why I would prefer to get rid of the Tenth.  I think they have a point about it and the Supremacy Clause coming to an impasse.  I say we keep the Supremacy Clause and ditch the Tenth, the Tenthers say the Clause yields to the Tenth -- but most people just refuse to ackowledge there's a conflict, and see no reason not to keep both.

    However you stand on the Tenth, there is no  excuse for not understanding a very widespread view of it popular on the other side.  My views are quirky enough to be safely ignored.  But if you're going to accuse someone on the other side of being hypocritical, when a mere passing familiarity with their doctrine would relieve the apparent contradiction, all you do is shoot your own credibility, and make obvious your lack of command of the issues.  You need to be attacking their position, not displaying ignorance of it.

    We should have destroyed the presidency before Obama took office. Too late now.

    by gtomkins on Fri Feb 25, 2011 at 11:42:47 AM PST

    •  What They Really Want is the Articles of Confeder- (1+ / 0-)
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      ation restored. Some of them state that publicly.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Feb 25, 2011 at 11:51:56 AM PST

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      •  Would that it were so (0+ / 0-)

        If we actually had a functioning system of divided sovereignty, that would at least permit we sane people to do things our way chez nous, while those crazy people could do their own crazy things in the privacy of their Red states, hopefully with the shades drawn.

        Not that divided sovereignty could actually be made to work, and result in a stable Union.  Had we not abandoned divided sovereignty in practice, we would have split apart long ago.  Again, good riddance to the crazy people, aside from little details such as the problem of the non-crazy stuck by accident of birth in a Red state.

        But the Tenthers don't want to use the Tenth honestly, if foolishly, to advance separatism.  To them, it just provides another way to forum shop decisions at the federal level, which is the only place they see as their govt.  They get to do what they want in their own Red states, and they get to use the federal govt to keep us doing what they want in our own states.

        We should have destroyed the presidency before Obama took office. Too late now.

        by gtomkins on Fri Feb 25, 2011 at 01:07:59 PM PST

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