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  •  How did CA pass a law (1+ / 0-)
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    such that it requires 2/3s to pass any type of tax hike?

    Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

    by lostboyjim on Sun Feb 27, 2011 at 11:27:20 AM PST

    •  Ballot Initiatives. (6+ / 0-)
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      Almost everything bad that's happened to California in the last 40 years can be traced back to those dumbass ballot initiatives. It's so easy to get one of those on the CA ballot, any of them only require a simple majority to pass (most states have a higher burden, especially for constitutional amendments), and conservative whackjobs have used them to permanently cripple the state's revenue-generation.

      The first time Jerry Brown was governor they passed Prop 13 which cut (admittedly very high) property taxes, but defunded the schools in the process. The cons also passed constitutional amendments requiring 2/3 not only to raise taxes, but to pass a budget at all. My own state requires a 3/4 majority to increase any tax except sales (and only because that one didn't exist here when the amendment passed), but even we can pass a budget by simple majority.

      Ballot initiatives are one of the major devils destroying America, and in a perfect world (which we sadly don't have), I would see SCOTUS declare them unconstitutional and overturn every last one.

      "Just who the hell do you think I am?!" - Kamina

      by SouthernFried on Sun Feb 27, 2011 at 11:43:22 AM PST

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      •  The 2/3 to pass any budget (6+ / 0-)

        was not Prop 13, but an initiative that passed in 1933.

        Good news is that we've repealed that, which will help. But, there's still 2/3 to increase any taxes, and now also, fees.

        I think we also need a constitutional amendment that requires a 2/3 vote to institute a 2/3 vote requirement.

        Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

        by elfling on Sun Feb 27, 2011 at 12:07:54 PM PST

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        •  But that sacred cow, Prop 13, is at the heart (3+ / 0-)
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          of much of the financial mess. Many older Californians are willing to defend it to their deaths. But ask them if they realize that corporate landowners have the same Protection under prop 13. Most have NO idea. That's billions of dollars in tax revenue that established corporations aren't paying.

          Meanwhile, California, who used to have some of the best schools, universities, state parks, highways, etc, just slips past mediocrity into something that we, who knew it in its heyday,  barely recognize.

          It was the best of times, it was the worst of times... - C Dickens.

          by grover on Sun Feb 27, 2011 at 03:47:19 PM PST

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    •  In the last election, there was another (5+ / 0-)
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      referendum passed that requires a 2/3rds vote for fees as well.  Sigh.

      •  what I couldn't believe about the result (4+ / 0-)
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        was the surprise, as if it was a clever or complicated gambit.

        Oops. "The voters passed yet another initiative screwing up the budget."

        Yeah, that was obvious before the vote. Why not report it then?

        •  If you are referring to the lack of warning (0+ / 0-)

          about this initiative, I think it was because people were working so hard to keep the other one (to gut California's Clean Air Act on emissions, as I recall) from passing that this one slipped through.  A sad day indeed.  (I tried to rec you and will try again, but even I get tired after 9 tries.)

    •  Republicans playing the game (1+ / 0-)
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      Pris from LA

      Ballot initiative to get something and then pass a 2/3 requirement so it never can be changed as the changed it. Scott Walker is doing it by fiat now in WI. 2/3 majority to rise taxes  equals to fuck the middle class

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