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  •  MSFT stock hasn't gone anywhere in over a decade (6+ / 0-)

    Maybe the original workers at Microsoft who were already working there in the late 80s, or early to mid 90s got rich owning the stock, but no one since then has.  Currently the stock is the same value it was 13 years ago.  Also, even ignoring the lackluster overall performance of the stock (which got blown up in the tech bubble and then deflated), there's no way a company the size of Microsoft will experience exceptional growth going forward.  

    Yes, if you get in at the ground floor, or even a couple floors up, on a startup that is successful you'll make a lot of money.  After that, though, the picture is much different.  Maybe Microsoft workers didn't NEED to unionize before, but maybe they should reconsider now.  

    •  Unionize? (4+ / 0-)

      Why would they want to unionize?  They make very good salaries and have possibly the best medical benefits in America.   I have friends that have worked there for over a decade who have never paid a single cent for their families medical coverage because the Microsoft benefits cover 100% of pretty much everything.   That sounds like a pretty damn good deal.

      Unionization is to protect workers from being exploited.  As far as I can tell, Microsoft employees have it pretty good, even beyond the major stuff, as they have things like personal offices for non-management and free unlimited beverages.   Why would they even WANT to unionize?  

      Like I said before, feel free to blame Gates for his stance on this issue.  But blaming him because he treats his employees so well that they have no reason to even consider unionizing is just ridiculous.  

      •  Why would you want to live in a (2+ / 0-)
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        chimene, JanL

        Democracy if the King is being nice to you right now?

        Jesus wept.

        Will the revolution be easier if we HR each other a lot?

        by JesseCW on Mon Feb 28, 2011 at 11:16:17 AM PST

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        •  Terrible analogy (0+ / 0-)

          Corporations aren't democracies.  They never will be and never have been.

          The point of a union is to prevent worker abuses and make sure companies are treating their workers fairly.  If the workers are already being treated well, why would they want to unionize?   What is collective barganing going to get them if they are already well paid and have great benefits?  

          I'm 100% pro union.  But that doesn't mean that I think people in good situations should somehow be FORCED to unionize, or that any company who is non-union (in a workforce that is almost exclusively non-union) is somehow bad.

          •  There's this little nation called (2+ / 0-)
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            sandblaster, JanL

            "Germany" you may have heard of.

            Half of every corporate board is elected by the (unionized) workers.

            Pronouncing serfdom to be eternal might be satisfying for some, I suppose.  But the real world does not support such pronouncements.


            Why would Peasants being "treated well" object to being ruled by a King, I ask again?

            Will the revolution be easier if we HR each other a lot?

            by JesseCW on Mon Feb 28, 2011 at 12:35:05 PM PST

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