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  •  it should have been Hillary Clinton (0+ / 0-)

    I'm talking about the primary campaign for starters - no way should a freshman Senator have been able to take down someone with that kind of credentials, and that kind of political mojo, and with the big dog in her corner?  Wow... it's kind of jaw dropping when you step back and look at it.

    That whole election was a public outcry though.  A lot of people became engaged in the process that don't normally.  That's why I say it doesn't have to be a protest, even though protests bring fresh energy.  All we really need for change is for people to show up and vote.

    •  Yeah, but (0+ / 0-)

      Hillary's campaign was "fraught" with uniqueness, too, so saying it "should" have been her ignores that fact. You could have been making the same argument about her if she had won against John Kerry, or some other white male Dem with national stature.
      Considering the severe baggage Hillary was carrying, I am/was not at all surprised that she lost the primary, and there is a rich heritage of underdog/unknowns winning the Presidency. It wasn't jaw dropping at all to me.
      Every election we get new blood and lose some old; nature of the beast. What happened after was what has been indicative, though, of this kind of "uprising". They stopped rising up, for whatever reasons they have. I voted for the first time in 1980 and promptly stopped voting again until 1992, and I don't think that my experience is unique. You are right: we need for people to show up and vote. But they don't, so wishing for it (and I'm not damning you for doing so or even saying you are), let alone relying on it to enact change is a fool's game--it's never happened. In this country, at least, massive, groundbreaking change has always come from above. Abolitionists struggled for decades and failed. Lincoln--who was not an abolitionist, really--won election and slavery ended in a few short bloody years. Populists and Progressives waved banners and struck for 50 years off and on, but it took FDR's New Deal to solidify and codify much of what those organizations strived for.
      All of which would seem to support your thesis, but if abolitionists, Populists, and Progressives hadn't taken to the streets for those hard and long years, figuratively and literally, I would wager our nation's history would look a lot differently and a lot worse than it does.
      Getting people engaged in electoral politics requires three things: problems that need solving, people willing and able to step up onto the stump to help solve them, and organizations to channel popular energy successfully. We have plenty of the first, but nowhere near enough of the second, apparently, and only the right has enough consistency in the third to produce lasting results.
      People showed up to vote for Obama in 2008, but it is hard to claim that he has been in any way transformative, and because of that, I would say, those same voters didn't show up in 2010. The fact that his defenders have to strain so greatly to convince us differently proves the point. He is not going to be the country's savior that imho we need right now, and with that lost opportunity (if it truly existed at all), I think we're doomed for the rest of my lifetime.

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