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  •  nailed it (36+ / 0-)

    That's it exactly.

    FOX News isn't an information source... it's a support group.

    "Glenn Beck ends up looking like a fat, stupid child. His face should be wearing a chef's hat on the side of a box of eclairs. " - Doug Stanhope

    by Front Toward Enemy on Thu Mar 03, 2011 at 06:17:20 AM PST

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    •  On a statewide physician listserv, (14+ / 0-)

      the topic of Fox News recently came up, when a liberal physician (yes, Viriginia, there ARE liberal physicians!), dared to make the suggestion that Fox News spreads lies. The responses were all along the lines of, "No, not lies, just a different (equally valid) perspective, just like the liberal media." Here's an example:

      I don't generally accuse FNC of "lies," but I do object to their claim of being "fair and balanced" when they clearly have a conservative slant and can be accused of a conservative agenda. There is no unbiased source of news and the sooner we all realize that the better we all will be.

      And another:

      Fox Network is not free from bias; it does (along with much of talk radio--which tends to be conservative) provide a “balance” to the liberal views conveyed in the other media (CBS, CNN, ABC, MSNBC, etc, most newspapers, along with universities, many attorneys and others). Fox viewers have far outnumbered the competition.

      What then is bias? Bias is an inclination to present or hold a partial perspective at the expense of (possibly equally valid) alternatives.

      I post these because they provide excellent examples of the mindset that liberals who want to be fact-based need to contend with. These quotes come from highly educated, presumably well informed people, trained to think empirically. Those who made these statements see themselves as being thoughtful, and would be highly resentful of any suggestion that their thinking is, in fact, delusional, and the result of very skillful manipulation and relentless propaganda, paid for by billionaires. They are completely impervious to any arguments that seek to change their minds, yet many are relentless in their quest to disabuse "liberals" of THEIR delusions.

      There is no easy answer. But we can't ever give up. Facts and history are on our side. We have to be even more relentless in explaining, teaching, providing verifiable data, and never backing down.

      "But there is so much more to do." - Barack Obama, Nov. 4, 2008

      by flitedocnm on Thu Mar 03, 2011 at 09:06:05 AM PST

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      •  Avoid targeting the wrong audience. (6+ / 0-)

        The typical right-wing crank, regardless of education, is immune to persuasion. The swing voter is amenable to persuasion.

        The only reason to argue with a right winger is:

        1) To influence an audience of low-information or swing voters who might be influenced by conservative ideologues.

        2) To restore a peaceful environment by shaming a loudmouthed bore into shutting up.

        Any attempts to persuade a person firmly rooted in conservative kultrekampf is doomed to failure and should largely be avoided, if possible.

        Unless you're directly benefiting from the fleecing somehow, all your blind investment in establishment politics has bought you, is a dog-and-pony show.

        by James Kresnik on Thu Mar 03, 2011 at 09:44:09 AM PST

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        •  I forgot: (2+ / 0-)
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          3) lulz!

          That's about the only good reasons to argue with a right-winger. Otherwise, the rules of polite company should apply.

          Unless you're directly benefiting from the fleecing somehow, all your blind investment in establishment politics has bought you, is a dog-and-pony show.

          by James Kresnik on Thu Mar 03, 2011 at 10:27:44 AM PST

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      •  I can attest personally to the fact that physician (1+ / 0-)
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        s, when in practice, are rarely well informed about World issues...!  impervious and educated  but not informed outside their specialty or practice!

        Medicine demands single minded linear focus!   Just like media demands  excess!  

        Their are those that need to be deluded to cover their fear of 'other'!  Those you can never reason with!  That fear -need  is greater than any fact!

    •  Fox news a support group? (7+ / 0-)

      Yeah, like AA with an open bar.  

      A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger (Proverbs 15:1)

      by Boreal Ecologist on Thu Mar 03, 2011 at 09:47:24 AM PST

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