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  •  I don't mean it to focus on the South, (2+ / 0-)
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    but to show the origin of much conservative thinking today, and thus discredit it as being a resurrection of the ideas behind the Confederacy. My intent with this diary is to provide a means for people to counter conservative ideas by showing their actual origins as hostile to the United States as a democratic republican form of self-government. The fundamental issue is oligarchy, or plutocracy, or whatever you want to call it, which is, by nature, hostile to the very idea of democratic republican self-government. That's why I love the quote from John Adams so much, especially as a contrast to what conservatives say and do.

    A conservative is a scab for the oligarchy.

    by NBBooks on Sat Mar 05, 2011 at 08:11:18 PM PST

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    •  Thank you very much. (0+ / 0-)
      The fundamental issue is oligarchy, or plutocracy, or whatever you want to call it, which is, by nature, hostile to the very idea of democratic republican self-government.

      Education will will end the power of the aristocracy...
      ...has always preferred a natural hierarchy. You're always going to have some violations of people's rights, for whatever reason, but we just believe that a natural social order left to evolve organically on its own would be better for everyone.

      ..."organically", and yes it will be better for everyone.

      Thx for the education NBBooks t'd &r'd - hotlisted for future reference

      •  Thanks for the thoughtful response (2+ / 0-)
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        (not that I expected any less from you), and I agree entirely with:

        The fundamental issue is oligarchy, or plutocracy, or whatever you want to call it, which is, by nature, hostile to the very idea of democratic republican self-government.

        And I would submit respectfully that American oligarchy/authoritarianism has many power centers rooted in many cultural traditions and political economies, and that democratic republican self-government has many enemies, some in surprising places. Your diary is greatly valuable in that it bares the economic roots of American reaction, which are all too often covered up via distractions like The Culture Wars or, my personal favorite, "why on earth do Red Staters vote against their own economic interests?" (A:They Don't).

        As for education being the key, yes in an expanding economy with growing needs, but it's not enough in a contracting economy where far too much of the wealth has been hoarded away, to the satisfaction of the upper 5% or so. We need free good education, but we also need genuine rule of law, freedom of information, and industrial planning.

        Then let us learn our range: we are something but we are not everything - Pascal

        by jlb1972 on Sun Mar 06, 2011 at 03:42:46 AM PST

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        •  That is much better said. I tried to wrap my (1+ / 0-)
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          statement: Education will end the power of the aristocracy and the structured hierarchy "organically", and yes it will be better for everyone. - around the offensive statement:

          ...has always preferred a natural hierarchy. You're always going to have some violations of people's rights, for whatever reason, but we just believe that a natural social order left to evolve organically on its own would be better for everyone.
          - and failed.  It ended up looking like i endosred it when my purpose was to oppose the belief that a  hierarchy/structured oligarchy is desired or necessarily natural.  

          Also i agree completely, education isn't enough:

          We need free good education, but we also need genuine rule of law, freedom of information, and industrial planning.
          thx
      •  Just to be clear, I am refuting this statement (1+ / 0-)
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        not endorsing it in any way:

        ...has always preferred a natural hierarchy. You're always going to have some violations of people's rights, for whatever reason, but we just believe that a natural social order left to evolve organically on its own would be better for everyone.

        Education will end the power of the aristocracy and the structured hiearchy "organically", and yes it will be better for everyone. - this was intended as a whole sentence wrapped around the offensive (imo) statement.
        I wasn't clear i now see, after reading my bungled words.

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