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  •  The United States under Wilson (1+ / 0-)
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    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 08:36:04 AM PST

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    •  Hmm (1+ / 0-)
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      People didn't view Wilson personally that way, but the US?  It dove into WWI, sent troops into Mexico, refused to ratify the League of Nations, etc, etc, etc.  The US still played hardball, even if Wilson was acknowledged as an internationalist and idealist.

      "How did you go bankrupt?" "Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly." - Ernest Hemingway, The Sun Also Rises.

      by weasel on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 08:51:05 AM PST

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    •  Absolutely incorrect. (1+ / 0-)
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      The United States under Woodrow Wilson engaged in even MORE invasions and uses of force than it did under the noted imperialist Theodore Roosevelt.  Wilson's lofty rhetoric was never matched by the brutal reality of his governance.  Among other incidents, Wilson invaded Mexico and sacked the town of Veracruz; Wilson invaded the Dominican Republic, overthrew the government, and stole its rightful customs revenues to pay for that tiny  country's defaulting on its international debt.

      There has NEVER been a time when the United States was not an aggressive, belligerent country with a preference for settling disputes with a gun whenever its adversary is  weaker.  Never.  From the Northwest Indian War (1790-95) during Washington's Presidency, forward through nearly the end of the 19th Century, the US continually waged wars of aggression against native tribes, and occasionally found time to attack its neighbors to the north and south (War of 1812; Mexican-American War).  Once the continent was secured, the US engaged in a war with Spain.  After wresting control of the Phillipines from Spain, the US waged a long, bloody war to pacify the native Filipino population, inflicting over a hundred thousand casualties.  Meanwhile starting in the second half of the 19th century and continuing through the Clinton presidency, the US has invaded countries in the Caribbean and Central America literally dozens of times, mostly to punish the existing government for defaulting on its debt, and to recover the same by collecting and stealing the customs revenues from the unfortunate debtor country.

      Rather than go on ad nauseum, here's a fairly complete list of American military interventions since 1890.

      Two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights do make a left.

      by Simian on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 01:01:34 PM PST

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      •  Longer list of US wars: (0+ / 0-)

        I was wondering if there were any breaks before 1890.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        Looks like the 1820s were relatively low-key but it may be missing some of the Native American wars.

        1876-1880 is low-key, but that's because the South was refighting the Civil War (and implementing Jim Crow) and the government was massacring union members.  So, um, I guess they were too busy to invade foreign countries, not that similar situations stopped other Presidents.

        Full-scale interference in Central and South America, putting in "friendly" governments, gets going in the 1840s and has never stopped.  Thank goodness we're no longer capable of overthrowing Brazil, Venezuela, or Bolivia.

        Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

        by neroden on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 06:49:37 PM PST

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