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  •  I'm amazed not only did they elect Walker (6+ / 0-)

    but they also kicked out Feingold.

    •  The infamous "they" (2+ / 0-)
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      3goldens, progressivebadger

      is not helpful. Probably makes many feel self-righteous. But not constructive.

    •  STFU (2+ / 0-)
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      3goldens, progressivebadger

      You obviously know nothing about what went on in Wisconsin this past election. So please quit dissing "they"!

      First of all, it was Citzens United that caused the 25% voter turn out in Wisconsin. For 4-5 months political ads ran non-stop in Wisconsin. It was horrible - like torture. People got so confused and disgusted that they just completely tuned out. Ask anyone actually from Wisconsin about this and they will tell you it was unbearable. Citizens United has enabled corporations to now saturate the airwaves with so much political mumbo jumbo day and night that if they can't convert you, they can just stop you from caring altogether. This will happen again and again in future elections. It is a disaster.

      Second of all, regarding the governor's race, Scott Walker LIED during his campaign. He said NOTHING during his campaign about destroying the unions. His "budget repair bill" was a complete surprise to everyone. If he had been honest about his intentions, he would NOT have won the election.  You can see how Wisconsin has reacted since his intentions were made known.

      Please stick to making comments about topics you actually know something about.

      •  Thanks for answering those comments. (1+ / 0-)
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        IProfess

        I have answered similar ones to those over and over and over again here for the past several days in pretty much the same way you did here.  I can't believe that in the THREE WEEKS this battle has been going on in WI, that people here STILL want to indict the entire population of Wisconsin for Walker getting elected.  Just shaking my head.   How anyone could be so uninformed or credulous as to even think that the voters of this state knew in advance what Walker was going to do and just voted for him anyway boggles my mind.  

        Objecting to our governor’s policies does not make a citizen of Wisconsin a criminal. Not yet, anyway. ~ nelangst

        by 3goldens on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 02:17:05 PM PST

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        •  I'm not in Wisconsin, but when I read (0+ / 0-)

          that the Republican Senatorial candidate refuses to answer questions about specific policy issues and says he'll let people know after the election what his stance is, how much bigger a red flag can there be?

          And then media and Feingold don't call him on that?

          •  The media gave Walker as well as (4+ / 0-)

            Ron Johnson, Feingold's opponent, a pass on everything!  It was disgusting beyond words.  And the "shadow money" behind Walker and Johnson was staggering.  In addition, both the Milwaukee-Journal Sentinel and the Wisconsin State Journal (republican mouthpieces) endorsed these guys despite their refusal to get specific.  There are a LOT of people who just don't know how money has influenced the media and so they take whatever they read or hear as truth.  GACK!  It's enough to make you bang your head on the wall.  Additionally, the ads the "shadow money" ran NEVER touched on what the goals were for Walker or Johnson but they lied and smeared Tom Barrett (who ran against Walker) and Feingold in those tv and radio ads that ran 24/7 for MONTHS.  There was no way Feingold and Barrett could fight back hard enough against that.  I've also just recently learned (via Newsie 2800, a DK member) that the DNC had other people they felt needed more help so they directed the money towards other people than Barrett and Feingold.  I can't tell you how much that pains me or how horrible many of us STILL feel over Feingold's and Barrett's losses.  This should NOT have happened.  But, just remember that 47% of those who voted, voted FOR  Barrett while 52% voted for Walker.  So, a lot of us DID show up to vote and a lot of us DID vote straight Dem tickets.  I know Mr. 3g and I both did.

            Objecting to our governor’s policies does not make a citizen of Wisconsin a criminal. Not yet, anyway. ~ nelangst

            by 3goldens on Mon Mar 07, 2011 at 03:57:27 PM PST

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            •  Part of the reason I support candidates rather (0+ / 0-)

              than national organizations is what you just wrote - they took money and used it where they judged it to be more needed.  After seeing them support people I don't agree with, I've sworn off donating to the umbrella groups (DNC, DCCC, DSCC) and I donate directly to the candidates, like I did in throwing Russ some cash.

              It sucks to be in a district given up as having no hope - I lived in a district with Tom Tancredo as my rep for a number of years until he retired, so I know my district never gets any attention from the power brokers on the Democratic side.  

              Well, I'm going to help with the recall efforts (the state Democrats in Wisconsin will be an umbrella group I'll also contribute to, as I don't know the ground game there), and I wish you folks luck and DVRs so you can skip the commercials that are coming your way even now on this recall issue.

              I spent a summer in LaCrosse, so I have some affinity for Wisconsin.  I hope you get reasonable people back in office.

        •  thanks for your efforts also! (2+ / 0-)
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          For cripes sake, yes, its so obvious Wisconsin was not down AT ALL with Walker's real agenda - they got snookered - and they are now taking corrective action.  I mean, what do these idiots think the protests are all about anyway?!

          And I don't even bother to mention that while many other middle american states have fallen into the R column the last several Presidential election cycles, Wisconsin has stood firmly in the D column - in spite of some pretty intense pressure. Wisconsin has held up their progressive end of the bargain pretty good for a long time now, eh?

      •  So the corporations won. And they'll keep (0+ / 0-)

        on winning.  I'm not going to say we're any more superior here in Colorado - we had pretty solid advertising as well on TV, radio, billboards, etc, and maybe we were able to still elect enough Dems because the Republicans put up some pretty crappy candidates who weren't able to hide their records.  Still, if you blame the corporations for having given you these problems, what are you going to do the next elections (probably the recall elections, if you make it that far)?  What about in 2012?  The corporations found out they could confuse and intimidate the Democrats into staying at home; they'll double down next time.

        The Republicans didn't stay home.  The Independents may have been lied to, but they didn't hear enough to counter the lies.  The Dems stayed home, for whatever reason.  And now you've got a world of hurt in Wisconsin.  You are also showing that voters can fight back - I wish you all the success in recalling the Republican senators and holding on to the Democratic seats this time.

        You're not the only ones in this fight, just as you weren't the only ones to feel the wave of advertising and efforts of the Republicans and plutocracy.  

        •  you are quite mistaken (2+ / 0-)
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          ColoTim, progressivebadger

          The corporados did not support the Repugs in 2010, and still aren't.

          If you go to OpenSecrets.Org and look at the top 50 industries, you will be surprised beyond measure to learn that of the 50, only 8 have given over half their money to Repugs. 42 of the 50 gave over half their money to DEMS.

          I do understand that we at DKos want to believe that the corporate plutocracy always supports the Repugs, and we poor Dems must fight back valiantly with just our army of small donors.  Alas, it just ain't true.

          The Repugs simply are no longer the corporate-supported party.  We are.

          Sorry if you didn't want to hear that. Reality can suck sometimes.

          •  Several fascinating breakdowns (0+ / 0-)

            I wonder for the companies listed at this chart if they just take individual donations and total them all up, or if these are donations made by the corporation and any individual donations are tallied elsewhere.  I always wonder, when I fill out my occupation on the form for donating, if my donation is going to be considered as coming from my industry even though I'm making it as a private citizen and not as any representative of my company.

            •  they do both (1+ / 0-)
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              The totals include individual contributions, but they also break them down elsewhere by PACs etc.

              Here's the interesting part-----when you look at PACs, which do not include individual contributions, the percentages barely change. In other words, the percent of corporate money going to Dems or Repugs is basically the same whether you count the individual contributions or not.

              My hypothesis to explain that--most employees neither know nor care who is running, and they just give money to whoever the company says is best.

              I have a much more detailed look at the corporate funding for Dems here:

              http://www.dailykos.com/...

              •  I neither know nor let my decisions (0+ / 0-)

                be swayed by how my company is donating, but I'd sure be interested to hear if they're supporting the evil empire.

                I would tend to think that a person's private views about what's best may align with their company just because they have similar interests - for example, I support candidates who support high tech, and my company is a tech company.  I would not expect either of us would support someone who is anti-science.

          •  what does this have to do with the elections (0+ / 0-)

            in Wisconsin this past fall??????

        •  if these condescending, judgemental (0+ / 0-)

          comments are your way of "wishing us all the success" then please just keep them to yourself. You don't know what you are talking about and you are not helping.

      •  Furthermore: (0+ / 0-)

        Wisconsin has a population of 5.5 million people.

        This was a 1,004,303 against Walker and 1,128,941 for him. That is less than 125,000 people.

        Over a million who were against them both from the beginning, where a lot of people were confused by the bombardment of ads constantly for six months. To blame the whole state is stupid when he was running on lies and vague commentary to begin with. With brown-paper bags and less taxes, more jobs. I'll admit they had a lapse in their decision because generally Wisconsinites believe in the words. But there are many trying to work from their mistakes and are out there regretting that they voted for Walker, doing their all trying to get this group out of power.

        Yes, they did mistakes by voting for him. But they are also doing a lot more than many other citizens in other areas where they just accept it, thinking nothing will get better and this is the best that is offered to them. That they shouldn't demand better.

        I'm in fact proud of these men and women, who can admit they made a bad choice and now choose to work to amend for their mistakes.

        Let Wisconsin by an example for both putting greedy power hungry men into power and taking them out when they do not serve the state.

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